To suggest a male curfew one night a week

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when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

How utterly ridiculous. Why should my lovely DH have to stay inside just because there’s other men who act like twats?

It’s not like they’re going to look at the calendar, realise it’s Tuesday, and put off the murder they were planning on committing until tomorrow 🙄

Tbf, if lockdown was anything to go by, there'd be enough curtain twitchers reporting them that they'd be apprehended before they reached the end of their drive.

When I was at uni there were several of these events, linked in with other areas, mental health etc

The funny thing is that they were protested by the uni feminist groups, they even managed to shut several of them down.

You definitely cannot know that 100%

@Boomer55 "Most men aren’t a threat to women."

I agree. Most people aren't burglars either. Or shoplifters, or drunk drivers or child abusers. That doesn't mean we shouldn't protect ourselves from the people that are.

And as I keep saying, the men who aren't a threat HAVE to take some responsibility for dealing with the men that are.

And what exactly do you think the message that a curfew for men suggests? It is a purely punitive (and quite aggressive) measure that says that all men must pay for the acts of some men, and they must do so by restrictions being placed upon their liberty (something usually reserved for people who have actually committed a crime or those who lack the capacity to make decisions for themselves due to age/mental illness or cognitive impairment)? I cannot see how this could be framed as anything other than collective punishment of men, for nothing more than being male.

As I have said previously- do you actually believe this will lead to positive change? Let’s face it- those are predators or violent or abusive will not likely change because if this, nor will they respect it. How do you enforce it? What bout people who work during the proposed curfew hours- do we suddenly not have any male staff working in hospitals & emergency care settings/emergency services such as ambulance or fire service; no men working in care facilities, hospitality, emergency vets, vehicle rescue services, transportation (e.g. bus and train drivers, station staff and maintenance/repair staff) etc on a given day per week. Utter rubbish- it’s not fair, practical, sensible or enforceable. I strongly suspect would also not be legally enforceable- thankfully.

I don’t think the majority of the population actually believe male violence does not require action. I think the majority also realise that it can’t be adequately addressed unless men are engaged in making those changes. FWIW, I don’t think that it can be addressed unless men are involved and actively engaged- my objection to this is not simply a defence of men for the sake of it, or because I don’t think that there is an issue or because I don’t see that men do need to play a significant role. My objection is because I think this particular measure is fundamentally wrong, unjust and unjustifiable- as well as impractical, ineffective and unenforceable. I would hate to see the men and boys in my life subject to this sort of measure. I also think it is likely to drive disengagement from the male population, if not cause a backlash of some sort. The only possible reason to suggest it would be vindictive- a desire to punish for the sake of being able to do so. It smacks of a desire for revenge.

Many men are defensive about male violence and misogyny, which is an issue- but I doubt this measure will get them engaged, more likely to cause anger, resentment and an entrenchment. I suspect even men who are concerned might be alienated by this sort of measure. I suspect many women may also not support it. So, again- what exactly is it trying to achieve?

I agree op it would lovely to just not have to deal with male entitlement/aggression or men leering how freeing

I am thankfully largely ignored now but would have been very welcomed when I was younger to be able to just pop to the shops without dealing with creeps

I've said this before but until there is a massive change in society, religions and parenting its not going to change.

It needs to be done from the cradle and every greed and colour needs to take part.
You would need both parents to stop excusing poor behaviour, education in healthy relationships for both sexes on how to treat each other.
It would need a radicle change in the choices made as to who to date and what to look for in a date.
And a massive change in who we look up to roles models and heroes.
And even then it would still have to be done in a non accusatory way.

Old thread - bonkers

I’m a man and I'd happily stay at home one night a week if it meant women felt safe. But I don't see a way it could be workable.

Exactly, how does that even work?
Places relying on shift workers would be screwed.

I think it's more of a thought experiment to highlight the issue more than a real suggestion.

As a thought experiment it's interesting and sheds light on the issues women face moving around in the dark.

As an actual suggestion, it's immoral, unworkable and totally bonkers.

Tbf, people often complain about things done by a small minority of men. Like when they complain about femicide (which 99.99% of men don't commit) but then get annoyed when people say they don't know any men that do this.

Lol, you think the men who are evil enough to hurt women will be put off by a curfew because "oh i musnt break the rules"? They're not kids on supernanny. How naive.

Ironically, we'd probably see a greater decline in violence against men. Violence against women might actually rise as most of it happens at home. The abusive partner would be drinking at home rather than in the pub.

Good point. The vast majority of women are not attacked by strangers on the street.

It would be entirely workable, as has been demonstrated by lockdown. There would be provisions made so that those who had to work could go there and back, but only for those reasons. There would be fines for breaking curfew. As with lockdown there would be plenty of members of the public willing to act as prefects to report those breaking it. It wouldnt stop them all, but would make them visible and easier to apprehend. After the initial flutter of outrage, most men would settle to it and adapt. Particularly if the well intentioned were brought on board and convinced they were helping women. As we all were in Covid to help 'the vulnerable'. Many would come to see it as their heroic contribution to helping women be safer. Few go out every night, so they would make curfew the night they didn't. Media would take advantage and screen male centred entertainment etc. Meanwhile, while women obviously wouldn't be assured of not setting eyes on a man, they would know that pubs, cinemas, clubs, theatres etc would be free of men and their presence on public transport greatly reduced. To be clear, I don't support it for various reasons. But the idea its 'unworkable' isn't one of them.

It’s totally unworkable. And for one reason. It’s the absolute opposite of democracy and is the start of the slippery slope to dictatorship. What next ? Curfews on disabled people because they walk too slowly, or wheelchairs are a nuisance ? Curfews on different races or religions on different days ? If you think that’s extreme look at the the events leading up to the holocaust.

Those are reasons why its unethical not unworkable.

Ah yes
Lock down
Where businesses collapsed due to not being able to operate at full capacity
And people just did as they were told
And people with legit reasons to be out weren't targeted by mob mentality...

All those clubs, pubs, restaurants, cinemas and theatres wouldn't be open. There wouldn't be enough demand. They would also not be "male free" unless you expected women to have to take on all the extra shifts.

I'm not sure about the "convinced" either... sounds a bit brainwash-y....

Provision would also have to be made for medical emergencies.

And what about women who's husbands/dads/brothers/sons/partners drive them to and from work or nights out? Should they have to fork out more money to have to catch public transport?

It is unworkable, why has been discussed at length now

None of your points support it being unworkable. Undesirable, but not unworkable. It's being discussed because someone started a thread about it? Don't worry I don't think its because there's been a leaked memo it's on the cards or anything.

After the initial flutter of outrage

This sentence doing some heavy lifting.

All this thread has demonstrated is that a lot of humans want to control others.

It is like the psychology experiment where half the subjects were assigned to be prison guards and the other half prisoners. Within days, the prison guards turned into bullies and the prisoners became supplicants.

I don’t think a matriarchal society would be any better than a patriarchal one.

They are why it's unworkable

Not enough staff, not enough viability for venues to open or operate when they lose potentially half or more of their clientelle, managing just WHY a male is out and about...

If they're still allowed out to work then they'll still be there as a threat (and we know Police Officers and Taxi Drivers for example aren't "safe") which would defeat the point. And would just create resentment and anger in the men who don't work in industries which allow them out and about. They wouldn't settle down the way you seem to think.