To suggest a male curfew one night a week

[twojumps]

when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

Except restricting their movement is having power.

It's giving women a luxury men don't have.

Men and their protectors can relax. Women couldn't really hurt you if we wanted to.

Women can and do hurt men. We need to stop this attitude of "women can't hurt men because men are all big and strong". That contributes to toxic masculinity and thus encourages the attitudes which also allow abusive men to get away with it and think it's acceptable

Well done on deliberately ignoring the PP point

They weren't on about the "decent" men. They are literally saying that the sort who already wants to break the law and do harm will not be stopped by a curfew.

I And a few other posters upthread drew a comparison with what happened in Nazi Germany too. How many dictatorships and oppressive regimes have begun with a curfew against the perceived perpetrators of ‘evil. In Hitlers’ case it was the Jews, and what started with deprivation of liberty led to the holocaust. It sounds inconceivable that that could happen again, but humanity’s record on learning from history isn’t great. You only have to look at the posts that followed the OP’s suggestion. In the blink of an eye there was escalation - we went from a one night curfew to locking up men between the ages of 16-25 until they ‘earned’ a licence to walk the streets, which could be revoked at any time for bad behaviour. There was even a suggestion that trustworthy men should be allowed to police it and given high viz vests. Chillingly similar to the Kapos of the concentration camps. Hilarious and chilling at the same time ? I’m not laughing, I’m distinctly chilly.

Men and their protectors can relax. Women couldn't really hurt you if we wanted to.

Huh, I must be imagining the scars from the knife wounds on my back then.

Education. There is no short term solution, we need to start with our male children and teach them about proper respect for the opposite sex. Reinforce that certain behaviours aren’t acceptable and that personal boundaries shouldn’t be crossed. Women are not playthings or possessions. No means no every time. I’m probably going to get flamed for this, but realistically judging by some of the parenting I’ve seen lately in public I don’t hold out much hope.

I literally just said: 'Not all men are predators/violent nor are all men responsible for the few that are.'

And you reply with: 'It’s about all men because all men need to make a stand against the few'.

Why are you just repeating a claim, I've already refuted? I'll say it again since you're hard of thinking: NO men do NOT have to make a stand against the few.

Most men are decent. If you haven't been lucky enough to experience that, well, then I'm sorry for that.

I have personally had my life literally saved by the most amazing men - twice - my dad first then my husband of 30 years.
I will NOT have them demonised.
Don't come at me again.

If people cared a jot about the millions of women in the UK who've experienced physical or sexual violence, they wouldn't be suggesting a curfew for men.

Not only because it's unfair on innocent non-violent men and an unhelpful (doesn't address the actual issues) and divisive idea that would cause resentment and likely increase VAWG. But also because Women were more likely to be killed by someone they knew than men, for example, of the 100 domestic homicide victims in the year ending March 2023, 70 were women.

A large proportion of VAWG (and the majority of domestic homicides) happens in the home - by someone the victim knows.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023

And why just apply this method to men vs women?

Which men commit the majority of crimes anyway?

Maybe people could start restricting on other on the basis of other group memberships too? Where I live violent crime is highly correlated both race.

Maybe for fairness sake there should be a curfew on women one day a week too

Then men can go out and not have to worry they'll be called a predator just because they're... walking down the street where a woman happens to be

It might actually also help those women most at risk as their men go out to enjoy "blokes night" and give them chance to plan an escape

If we separated men and women in the workplace that might avoid some problems too.

Or we could let men out, but make them wear electronic tags, or maybe wear weights so they are slow.

I rather actual proper lengthy sentences and punishments where violent offenders can’t just be let out after a few years or even months because they were good in prison or prison was overcrowded, violence/abuse is taken more seriously, and that people remember they don’t own anyone simply because they are in a relationship together or entitled to other people’s attention because they are attracted to them than a curfew.

@twojumps 😂- again showing you haven’t read the thread. If you post on a public forum then people have the right to come back at you again

Ah, I've just thought of a problem with this hypothetical discussion that's causing so much upset. What would trans people do on this day?

Sadly few people care about anyone other than their own very narrow demographic - and some are make that very narrow indeed. Women and girls are subjected to appalling working conditions and actual slavery across the middle east and africa to produce goods brought by women in the west. It would be easy to reduce harm significantly by reducing clothing and makeup consumption for example.

(For child labour and slavery in your makeup, google "slavery in the make up industry" and you can read at your leisure). Cosmetics companies will claim they now avoid it - but they rely on intermediaries who have been found repeatedly lying and misrepresenting the source of the raw ingredients.

Men are abused in the harvesting of the materials for lipsticks and mascara - but that's obviously outside this main topic. (www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-68369339)

I think it would be an interesting experiment, yet would men really notice the difference?

Men are much more likely to be attacked by another man than a woman. Add alcohol to the mix and there are more issues. Men in general don’t feel threatened by women nor expect them to overpower and hurt them. Also, would women be safe if this happened?

Yes it is terrible, and it proves that it goes on behind closed doors,
And we all know that that a lot of these abusive men are charming men outside of the home.
Or do you believe that he was bragging this out to his mates everyday?

I'm sorry that happened to you. However I think its obvious I'm speaking about the norm rather than the exception. The attack that happened to you is not part of an identified pattern of behaviour amongst women towards men (unlike the officially recognised pattern, the 'national energency' of male violence) Women as a group pose no threat to men as a group. Because as a group women lack the power. There are always exceptions to patterns, and again, I'm sorry you were one of them.

The acknowledgement of biological reality, that men are physically stronger than women and can therefore typically impose their will on women by force is nothing to do with toxic masculinity. Its a mere statement of fact. If you choose to misrepresent that to mean men SHOULD be big and strong, and therefore abusive that's on you. It isn't what I wrote.

All I know is I have never walked past a group of biological women and feared they might rape then murder me. Not once, ever. Humiliate me, yes. Verbally abuse me, yes. But there is only one sex that makes me fear for my life on a daily basis.

Well under the OPs plan there wouldn't have been men to pull the violent woman off so it has quite a lot to do with it.

I'd have thought it was obvious what it has to do with VAWG, a woman was attacked by a woma, that was violence against a woman.

Men and women. Violence by women against men is known to be under reported as men are embarrassed and frequently mocked if a woman harms them. You only have to look at the attitudes about a teenager being abused by an adult of the opposite sex, a girl is a victim a boy is the envy of men as they have fantasies about what they'd have thought at 15 if the French mistress had seduced them.

How many women do you think commit violent crime against an unknown male? Women simply don't walk around targeting strangers. It's so rare we could actually list all these perpetrators from memory.

You could list people who have never come forward, never told anyone about the assault? Amazing, have you thought about commercialising this talent.

You'd have thought wrong then. VAWG refers specifically to types of violence disproportionately perpetuated by men against women and girls. A violent attack by one woman against another doesn't meet this criteria, and so would not be considered as part of a discussion on VAWG. Just as an attack on a woman by a random man in the street wouldn't meet the criteria to be classed as domestic violence. Its important things are classified correctly so we understand the scale and nature of particular issues. Otherwise we may erroneously conclude that women face equal threat from each other as they do from men, or that women have similar offending patterns, and target resources in the wrong direction.