To suggest a male curfew one night a week

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when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

No I don’t think he was bragging to his mates I’m referring to the police who did nothing once the crime was reported. I think that men need to be more vocal in shooting down casual sexism when they witness it. I don’t think a curfew would work but I’m with OPs sentiment, drastic times call for drastic measures.

You can say it means one thing when the fact is violence against women and girls can be perpetrated by anyone. My DD was suicidal about violence she suffered at school from a group of girls, are you telling me that wasn't violence against a girl? Seriously have a think about it, we aren't in 1984 and we aren't using new speak.

If you specifically want to analyse crimes you have to use the right criteria, you are talking about violence against women and girls perpetrated by males, words have meanings regardless of what you think.

But it's very rare for a male to commit violent crimes against unknown women the majority are domestic. This is why when someone is murdered the first people the police question are the ones closest to them

@Iwasafool Violence against women and girls is violence perpetrated because the victim is female. The perpetrators are male.

I understand what you are saying OP. It would be nice, but only in theory.

Presumably there would be an exception for police? If not, all female officers would probably need to work that night meaning that they couldn't enjoy 'ladies night'. Male doctors coming home from saving lives? Are all the taxi drivers going to need to be females? What about trans women, how are we deciding if they are allowed out? Are the men allowed to be waiters and bartenders? If not all women is hospitality will need to be on duty that night and won't make ladies night. If so, do they have to wait until, midnight? 7am the next day until they're allowed to come home?

Ideas like this aren't the answer, as tempting as they might sound. There is no definitive answer as such as evil will always exist. The only answer isn't a solution, merely mitigation. Education, awareness, punishment and women's concerns being treated seriously

And trying to stop one source of evil by introducing another will never be an answer. Depriving innocent people of their liberty should never be an option.

The victim is female, anyone can be violent even women. Actually consider each word and tell me where a male perpetrator is specified in violence against women and girls. It is a shorthand and people are lazy and just accept the shorthand, doesn't mean it is right.

I think 99% of men are trustworthy and would sooner protect you than harm you. The 1% that might be a problem wouldn’t be the type to follow a curfew anyway, so you’d probably make things more dangerous.

I'm pointing out that the words VAWG when grouped together have a specific meaning outside of your personal understanding of the words. I didn't decide that, so there's no point arguing the toss with me about it. I'm just making you aware of your error.

So your solution is what. Alternate the days in which men and women are allowed outside ? Just when I thought the thread couldn’t get any more bonkers.

No people have decided it means that but if you understand English you must know that it does not mean that as no where does it state the perpetrator is male. It is shorthand that isn't accurate.

Take it up with the government and the police then. Lobby your MP, write to your councillor. Because of all the priorities to address around the current epidemic of male on female violence, I'm sure a guy on MN not liking the words they use to describe it will be top of their list.

You specifically said women weren't a threat to men

Which is a lie. And part of toxic masculinity

I agree that the police are useless and need to do more.

I think that men need to be more vocal in shooting down casual sexism when they witness it.

They should do but you are ignoring that those that you want to be more vocal are the ones that don't hang around with those that are casually sexist, and are the ones that are generally fearful of stepping up due to the responses that they have received,

drastic times call for drastic measures.
You are right it does, but this starts in the home and with both parents not excusing poor behaviour.

Women as a group are not a threat to men as a group. The occasional anecdote of behaviour falling outside of the usual pattern, does not create a new pattern. Just as when my cat scratched next doors dog on the nose and made her bleed, we didnt conclude kittens pose a threat to rottweilers.
If you are a man who is frightened of women, then I'm sorry your experiences have led you to that position. However, fortunately such experiences are very rare, regardless of certain propaganda that aims to minimise male violence by pretending violence is nothing to do with sex.

If there was an 'exception for police', Wayne Couzens would still have been out and about the night he killed Sarah Everard.

So, do you see where this curfew idea falls down!?

Absolutely. Excepting male police you'd be reducing the risk but not eliminating it. You'd need to staff the police force exclusively with women, which would stop participation in the women's night by any female police officers! And presumably the male population wouldn't take a male only lockdown particularly well so policing the civil unrest exclusively by female officers falls down by simple biology - inferior strength and size.

A male lockdown night is a fantasy that just couldn't happen in reality. Confining men to the home is just totalitarian nonsense. But I do agree with the concept of more female safe spaces, women only gyms/swimming pools/nightlife, nightlife especially with some sort of transport scheme/female taxi service where women can as close as guarantee their safety.

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I do find it amusing that even as a thought experiment, its OK to discriminate against the majority of men that are not an issue to women, but its not OK to make a minority of women work the curfew so that the majority could enjoy it.

There is a woman only taxi firm in London. so it can work but I suspect only in larger towns and cities.

Yeah, its a good thought experiment, but practical application is where it falls down (well, that and civil liberties).

The thing is-if this thought experiment became a "thing", all the nice men so many people say all the men they know are would be perfectly happy to go along with it. Because they know one of the reasons the not nice men are able to do bad things is because nice men don't generally stand up against them-sometimes for good reasons. This would be a good and safe way for nice men to do something and show the em selves to be allies.

You're going to keep living in your little bubble of thinking it's ok to suggest women can't hurt men and there's no point trying to point out to you how problematic that is...

It wouldn't be a minority of women though...

EVERY nighttime job would need exclusive female staff

So not just taxi drivers but bus drivers, dispatchers, firefighters, police, paramedics, doctors, nurses, hospital reception, chefs, wait staff, bartenders, security, overnight warehouse staff, overnight freight drivers, delivery drivers, takeaway staff, shop assistants, overnight construction, after dinner speakers, actors on stage, staff in all entertainment venues, late night TV hosts...

Think how many of those jobs are done by men.

sewage workers, bin'men', Engineers, Factory workers, various 24 hr monitoring jobs.

Yes the list is quite large once you actually sit down and think about it.
And many of these jobs are the jobs that women do not want to do.

@ButWhatAboutTheBees "
You're going to keep living in your little bubble of thinking it's ok to suggest women can't hurt men and there's no point trying to point out to you how problematic that is..."

Nobody thinks women can't hurt men. But women as a group are not a threat to men as a group. Men are a threat to women as a group AND other men as a group.

Allies of what, totalitarian regimes?

It's completely awful, you can't tell people they can't go out and about their normal business because of their sex.