To suggest a male curfew one night a week

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when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

This thread is a combination of hilarious and chilling in equal measure.

Hilarious because the vast majority of people going out like to do so in mixed set groups. Can you imagine the effect on business if curfew night fell on Valentines.

Chilling because it shows the innate tendency of people to want to control others based on characteristics. The excuse of victimhood is no more than that, an excuse.

As a Jewish person it really concerns me what Israel is currently doing and becoming, in a variety of ways. And it has a lot in common with this ‘thought experiment’; perpetual perceived victimhood. Arabs are a danger to Israel, so Israel can attack and kill them at will, regardless of whether they are the Arabs actually responsible for attacking. This is where this kind of thinking goes.

Luckily, it is highly unlikely that women will never have that kind of power over men, mainly because women and men are inextricably tied together; not different classes who can ever live independently of one another.

Whilst I agree with some of your points, men the world over have found ways to have power over women.
I don’t think OP and others on this thread are even suggesting that women should have power over men but to be able to go out with the threat of sexual aggression or violence.

Exactly.

But you have to be realistic about what the actual threat is yes 80% of violent crimes are committed by men and 98% of sexual crimes are committed by men. But the reality is it's only about 1% of men who are commiting crimes

@noworklifebalance ,

‘I don’t think OP and others on this thread are even suggesting that women should have power over men but to be able to go out with the threat of sexual aggression or violence.’

Being able to impose a curfew is the very definition of having power.

‘Whilst I agree with some of your points, men the world over have found ways to have power over women.’

And, from time immemorial, Jews have been victimised by the vast majority of the World’s population. Does that give Israel the moral right to curfew gentiles?

I am not saying I agree with the idea of a curfew or that it is workable - it’s a starting point for a discussion that the issue is with men and whilst it may only be a small % who do this, the commen factor is men and the violence is severe. So rather than moderating the behaviour of women to protect themselves we should be looking at it a different way.

And people fume when incels link feminism is linked to Naziism.

Even communist china, north korea and the islamofascist countries don't repress one sex that much.

Thus would not be an inconvenience, this would be denying liberty.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/article/2024/aug/20/carol-higgins-father-abuse-how-we-survive And when it does come to light men often don’t want to know.

This is heartening, we need more of this.

I wonder what sort of impact that’s had.

OP I get your thinking. It’s exhausting having to plan and ensure safety on a night out.

I always assumed the ‘threat’ would ease as we got older, but it really doesn’t.

But more men are victims of violent crime to so it's not just women moderating their behaviour all people need to be mindful of their surroundings.

Who are the perpetrators of most violent crimes against men……

Men are we know this but I was replying to comment about women having to be careful but so do men as they are the victims to more crime. Everyone needs to be aware of their surroundings this is what we teach children from very young starting from stop look listen when crossing a road to stranger danger.

You literally said:

Of course it is about all men.

It isn't. Not all men are predators/violent nor are all men responsible for the few that are.

And DFOD with the 'intelligence' crap.

Why do you want to increase VAWG?

As we know, and as pointed out by many posters on this thread, a large proportion, the majority I believe, of women killed by men are killed in domestic homicides - in the home (by someone they know, not by a stranger).

Why not, instead, of proposing an unfair (on innocent non-violent men) and divisive policy that would cause resentment and very likely increase VAWG, advocate for genuinely helpful and effective ways to reduce VAWG (and violence in general including against men)?

I've outlined these ways in my previous posts.

So imposing a curfew and denying liberty to an entire cohort ‘because men’ isn’t having power over men ?

Clearly you haven’t read the thread or think more in depth and the best you can up with is DFOD?!

It’s about all men because all men need to make a stand against the few - calling out inappropriate and low level sexual microaggressions that may occur in the friendship groups, work place, chat groups, at home etc. Men won’t listen to women - we will be told to “calm down, dear”, “it’s only joke”, “you must be on your period” etc if we call it out. It’s other men that need to call it out.

And when it does come to light men often don’t want to know.

Likewise many women don't want to know.

This thread actually highlights that fact. The very suggestion of a curfew for men, aside from being unfair on innocent non-violent men, is indicative of the dismissal of DV. Perhaps due to subconscious victim blaming attitudes ("I'm not that sort of woman", when it can happen to any woman).

I'm NOT a man. I'm a woman (with a husband and a young son). I know several women who've experienced DV. Loads of people - both men and women, didn't want to know. Including some working in statutory services (the latter, partly due to these services being poorly funded, poorly run, and as a consequence poorly trained staff who often, due to lack of funds or experience, prioritised 'gatekeeping' over helping the women in need of help).

Unfair curfews for all men, irrespective of whether or not they're violent, won't stop VAWG or violent crime in general. They'll likely increase it if anything, whilst also causing resentment and division.

Not sure why you are quoting me, I didn’t say I support the idea of a curfew.

Women will never have that kind of power over men because men have physical advantage. You can put a spin on it to make it out to be a more palatable interdependence if you like, but when it comes down to it, it really is that simple. If women tried to impose something on men they didn't want, or withhold something they did, such as in this case, their freedom, they would simply take it by force. Which is why all the poor men, nasty women ooh how chilling type angst is entirely overblown and unnecessary. Men and their protectors can relax. Women couldn't really hurt you if we wanted to.

ALL people were at threat on London Bridge

And it IS relevant that men will step in to stop other men being violent. It shows they aren't all passively violent

But good on you for ignoring all the other examples to say ONE didn't count

Not as such, but you said no-one is suggesting women should have power over men. That’s exactly what people are suggesting - that’s what a curfew would be.

And how do you measure that ? I’ve seen men calling out other men on quite a few occasions. I’ve also seen male managers disciplining other men in the workplace. But according to MN it doesn’t happen.

I agree some of their posts are coming across as aggressive, and are a good example of the fact that women aren't always benign to other women.

Whilst this is just online posts, it's a fact that in real life although male violence (against women and men) is statically a bigger problem, there is also an issue of female violence against women.

I don't want to jump on anyone and understand that reading posts and their tone and intent is subjective. It's also a highly emotive topic, and perhaps that poster has personal experience of VAWG by a stranger or she suffers from particularly strong anxiety issues about it happening to them or a loved one.

That might be influencing the tone of their posts - posting when scared or overemotional and stressed, perhaps. To add, before I get accused of misogyny for using the term 'over emotional' - because some people (not me) mistakenly associate "over emotional" as a 'female thing', the issue of posting when scared or over emotional is something both men and women do at times.