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To suggest a male curfew one night a week

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twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:41

when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

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Everyoneesleistheproblem · 19/08/2024 21:25

MintyNew · 19/08/2024 20:02

@Everyoneesleistheproblem what do you think the nice men should do about it?
I find that absolutely ridiculous that decent good men need to fight the battle for those rotten ones. What exactly do you think they should do? Provide some realistic example?

So you're implying theres nothing that can be done?
Of course there is. But men need to change their own culture.

How about sport? Rugby versus Football. Both very macho, with passionate supporters, both have alcohol featuring heavily.
Entirely different cultures. Zero trouble at one, fans constantly causing problems at the other.

twojumps · 19/08/2024 21:25

@Differentstarts

Where have I gone? I've got stuff to do, I don't sit here pouring over every comment.

To others, I'm not writing for the Daily Mail for goodness sake. They're a bunch of low life right wings idiots, if that helps. Behave yourself.

It was a suggestion that has provoked discussion. Sort of the point. Back to the drawing board.

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nocoolnamesleft · 19/08/2024 21:26

HelloMiss · 19/08/2024 21:05

@nocoolnamesleft

Ridiculous!

You are deluded..

In my first comment I said it was a thought experiment. What would be deluded about that? Currently all women face restrictions for the actions of some men. What is wrong with a thought experiment suggesting restrictions on men instead?

Differentstarts · 19/08/2024 21:26

Alucard55 · 19/08/2024 21:22

Done it. It's 98%.

98% what sexual crime, violent crime, men on men, men on women, women on women,women on men. These are what you was asking me so which is 98% and if your talking sexual crime what % in homes as if the majority happened behind closed doors suggesting a curfew would increase rape. People are so terrified of being outside but the reality is the most dangerous place to be is home

x2boys · 19/08/2024 21:27

Uglyandgrumpy · 19/08/2024 21:21

Listen, this is a hypothetical discussion, it's never going to happen ever. So there's no point answering another hypothetical challenge. Chill.

It was a totally daft ill thought out idea you mean.

Uglyandgrumpy · 19/08/2024 21:27

twojumps · 19/08/2024 21:25

@Differentstarts

Where have I gone? I've got stuff to do, I don't sit here pouring over every comment.

To others, I'm not writing for the Daily Mail for goodness sake. They're a bunch of low life right wings idiots, if that helps. Behave yourself.

It was a suggestion that has provoked discussion. Sort of the point. Back to the drawing board.

Nice reply. Roll it out😁

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 21:27

Uglyandgrumpy · 19/08/2024 21:24

?? Sorry I don't understand. Is female not in the dictionary any longer?

I assume that would be where the Ferengi learned the word, yes.

Differentstarts · 19/08/2024 21:28

twojumps · 19/08/2024 21:25

@Differentstarts

Where have I gone? I've got stuff to do, I don't sit here pouring over every comment.

To others, I'm not writing for the Daily Mail for goodness sake. They're a bunch of low life right wings idiots, if that helps. Behave yourself.

It was a suggestion that has provoked discussion. Sort of the point. Back to the drawing board.

Well I have stuff to do to but Iv been asked by 3 different posters now to Google statistics because their to lazy to do it themselves so maybe if your going to start a thread you should actually be available to answer people's questions and give facts

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 19/08/2024 21:29

Everyoneesleistheproblem · 19/08/2024 21:25

So you're implying theres nothing that can be done?
Of course there is. But men need to change their own culture.

How about sport? Rugby versus Football. Both very macho, with passionate supporters, both have alcohol featuring heavily.
Entirely different cultures. Zero trouble at one, fans constantly causing problems at the other.

Ok so instead of certain types of men roughing each other up at football matches, they go off and find other outlets for their violent tendencies? Like, I don't know, women?

Any other good suggestions?

BargingOnBy · 19/08/2024 21:29

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 19/08/2024 21:24

But yes, you think you're being funny. You're not, staying home every night is in fact the alternative for many women who just don't feel safe walking on their own, or travelling by train, or even in mini-cabs. That is reality for some of us. It has been for me since I was in my teens (I'm old enought to be invisible now, but it was an unpleasant fact of life for me for about 25 years). It's really not funny to be frightened of walking home on your own from a station or a city centre late at night when there are no taxis or lifts available. A woman's quality of life is affected and restricted because of men being on the streets.

Well said. And surprise surprise @StoneHenge85 is a man.

FrippEnos · 19/08/2024 21:29

Everyoneesleistheproblem · 19/08/2024 21:25

So you're implying theres nothing that can be done?
Of course there is. But men need to change their own culture.

How about sport? Rugby versus Football. Both very macho, with passionate supporters, both have alcohol featuring heavily.
Entirely different cultures. Zero trouble at one, fans constantly causing problems at the other.

The thing is that reduce all violence not just VAWG, all of the various cultures have to change.
This includes how children are being brought up to films and media and how violence is shown and also how and who we support in sports.
And yes it all starts with how children are brought up and excused from a young age.

grisen · 19/08/2024 21:29

TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers · 19/08/2024 20:30

Oh god yes, BargingOnBy, do seek therapy won’t you? It’s definitely your fault for not being more mentally robust than the, quite logical, fear of violence from unknown men, that’s the problem. FFS.

I have always walked my dogs, for miles, along the quiet and remote north Kent Coast and the adjoining farmland. More than once I’ve seen a lone man in the distance and my hackles have gone up, and I’ve tried to get back to my car as soon as humanly possible. Once a man literally ‘followed’ me whilst I was on a farm track and he was on the parallel sea wall - which are about 100 hundred metres apart maybe. We were the only two humans visible for miles. I just got a weird feeling about him. Instead of watching the cost line for birds as is usual for lone people there he was facing me and if I went left for a while, so did he. I stopped and went right, he stopped and went right. I was shit scared, no phone signal, alone. I basically left the farm track and entered the field and tried to run though it as fast as possible back to the car park, I couldn’t see what he was doing at the time but hoped he was following the sea wall which would give me a bit more time than him.

I haven’t walked that route alone since.

An acquaintance of mine, Claire Knights, was murdered in the same area a short while ago by a lone, unknown, man whilst she was walking her dog. I wonder if you’ve even heard of her? No, I won’t be seeking therapy for any fear I have, you absolute flan.

Oh dear. I suppose I failed to mention that I do in fact also have a horror story related to a man. A stranger actually. Who sexually assaulted me, shoved a pencil up my urethra that made a hole in my bladder, and made a hole in my diaphragm so I was closer to death than life. The man was wearing RayBans. And through therapy I’ve learnt to not live my life in fear of pencils, men, and random straight and slim object and oddly enough RayBans. If you limit your life based on what ifs and could have beens - and like the PP I quoted mention are severely limiting your life. Then yes it’s time for therapy.

I didn’t mean this in a bad way, simply that living your life in fear of a small percentage of the human kind is not a healthy way to live. Not for anybody.

Omlettes · 19/08/2024 21:31

twojumps · 19/08/2024 21:25

@Differentstarts

Where have I gone? I've got stuff to do, I don't sit here pouring over every comment.

To others, I'm not writing for the Daily Mail for goodness sake. They're a bunch of low life right wings idiots, if that helps. Behave yourself.

It was a suggestion that has provoked discussion. Sort of the point. Back to the drawing board.

Well I appreciated it for one.

And frankly I think its a great idea, as I do a car free day.
I appreciate all the naysayers ridiculing it, usually hinging on NAM but we need to think outside the box , and it would carry a very strong message.

When women are still routinely being banned covered up and excluded from society because of menstruation, or just because they exist, NOT because they are a danger to men, then the outrage at your suggestion is tasteless indeed.

Wheelz46 · 19/08/2024 21:32

It would never work, how would it be managed. Would it be all males or would you exempt emergency services?

What about a woman who goes into labour and needs her male partner to take her to the hospital, would they become exempt?

What if your kid injures themselves and need to go to the hospital and their father is the sole carer, would they be exempt?

What if you got stuck in a traffic jam past your curfew?

An endless list of possibilities!

Uglyandgrumpy · 19/08/2024 21:33

x2boys · 19/08/2024 21:27

It was a totally daft ill thought out idea you mean.

No, it's not an idea, not ill thought out. It's a post for discussion that will never happen. You get that yet? Promise it won't happen.

Differentstarts · 19/08/2024 21:33

Wheelz46 · 19/08/2024 21:32

It would never work, how would it be managed. Would it be all males or would you exempt emergency services?

What about a woman who goes into labour and needs her male partner to take her to the hospital, would they become exempt?

What if your kid injures themselves and need to go to the hospital and their father is the sole carer, would they be exempt?

What if you got stuck in a traffic jam past your curfew?

An endless list of possibilities!

Well it depends if the kids male or female if he's male he won't be allowed to leave the house to go to the hospital so I guess he would just die at home

Alucard55 · 19/08/2024 21:34

Differentstarts · 19/08/2024 21:26

98% what sexual crime, violent crime, men on men, men on women, women on women,women on men. These are what you was asking me so which is 98% and if your talking sexual crime what % in homes as if the majority happened behind closed doors suggesting a curfew would increase rape. People are so terrified of being outside but the reality is the most dangerous place to be is home

I'm not suggesting a curfew. I think that's madness. I also think it's very worrying that a woman is more likely to be harmed by the male person she shares a home with than the "weirdo in the bushes". The fact remains that 98% of sexual and violent crime is committed by men, more often than not by the men we share our lives with. That's the reality for women and children.

To suggest a male curfew one night a week
twojumps · 19/08/2024 21:35

I've just genuinely had enough the non stop violence. I'm sick of it. Maybe it is a wacky suggestion but we need some new ideas.

Something has to change!!!

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Alucard55 · 19/08/2024 21:36

Differentstarts · 19/08/2024 21:28

Well I have stuff to do to but Iv been asked by 3 different posters now to Google statistics because their to lazy to do it themselves so maybe if your going to start a thread you should actually be available to answer people's questions and give facts

We gave the statistic as 97/98% and you said that was incorrect. I was asking what numbers you had.

HighBuddha · 19/08/2024 21:36

An interesting graph given this discussion.

“A survey by the UN Women UK in 2021 found that 71% of all women in the UK had experienced some form of sexual harassment in public. This figure increases to 86% among young women aged 18-24 .”

To suggest a male curfew one night a week
Differentstarts · 19/08/2024 21:37

Alucard55 · 19/08/2024 21:34

I'm not suggesting a curfew. I think that's madness. I also think it's very worrying that a woman is more likely to be harmed by the male person she shares a home with than the "weirdo in the bushes". The fact remains that 98% of sexual and violent crime is committed by men, more often than not by the men we share our lives with. That's the reality for women and children.

That's sexual crime where's violent crime and what percentage happens in the home as I'm guessing the majority so keeping men out of sight and shut in homes Is surely the most dangerous thing to do

dawngreen · 19/08/2024 21:38

Maybe instead of speed camera's they could use a men cam. And fine men caught on camera? They have to get the money off us some how. I just think its a good idea not to walk alone in quiet deserted area's. If only to be safe if you fall or have a medical issue.

Alucard55 · 19/08/2024 21:39

Differentstarts · 19/08/2024 21:37

That's sexual crime where's violent crime and what percentage happens in the home as I'm guessing the majority so keeping men out of sight and shut in homes Is surely the most dangerous thing to do

Yes I'm literally saying that.

Differentstarts · 19/08/2024 21:40

Alucard55 · 19/08/2024 21:36

We gave the statistic as 97/98% and you said that was incorrect. I was asking what numbers you had.

And I answered for violent crime was 80% male 20% female then I was asked well what's the statistics for this and that and this. I'm not Google

Jeschara · 19/08/2024 21:41

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