To suggest a male curfew one night a week

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when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

Exactly. It would increase male violence.

And not only trapped at home with their abuser, but trapped with I imagine a far angrier abuser than normal. He will be well and truly pissed off that he's been prevented from leaving the house and guess who will be getting the brunt of that anger..... his poor female partner at home.

Thanks @TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers, I’m sorry you had to go through that. You obviously understand my fears.

@WolabiMe So you reckon the other 85% of them should suffer???

I care more about women and girls actual physical safety than the hurt feelings of all of the multitude of, apparently, amazing men you know. Also, how do you know what your DD thinks. Have you actually asked her….maybe, with your attitude she thinks there’s only one correct answer.

The op and anyone who agrees with her. How would people react if someone put the same post up about race instead of sex. Would that be acceptable.

So did the woman who attacked and hospitalised me... and the men who pulled her off me

@listsandbudgets sorry that happened to you but not sure what it has to do with a conversation around VAWG 🫤

Christ on a bike OP, you do realise there're women who walk about at night and aren't in fear of their lives every time they walk down the street?

A curfew for men doesn’t erase the patriarchy or the thirst for male violence. In fact it would only likely increase it.

Totally agree. It would make them more angry.

The op and anyone who agrees with her. How would people react if someone put the same post up about race instead of sex. Would that be acceptable

but we’re not talking about race. We’re talking about VAWG and tactics to help reduce it. I still would like to see just one quote that suggests anyone on this thread ‘hates all men’ or even ‘blames all men.’

I'd agree to a male curfew if there was a dangerous man on the loose such as a serial killer targeting women. In the past, women have been told to stay indoors after a certain time but it should be men.

Quite.

And the decent men who might intervene in an attack, or escort a drunken friend home, will be locked up at home.

@Newbutoldfather but there wasn’t an issue with Jewish people being dishonest. That was made up because the Nazis hated them. It’s not even slightly similar.

15% of men commit VAWG

@TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers Yes I have had this discussion with her on a number of occassions... and she's been quite clear she prefers mixed groups.

My DD is VERY clear when she disagrees with me. We have to bring up our children to be confident about how they express themselves and if you feel that your children are not able to do that then you should review your parenting

So it's ok to be sexist but not racist. Saying all males should have a curfew is sexist and I can't believe mumsnet is allowing this thread

Women and girls aren’t being murdered and raped by a particular race? So your argument doesn’t hold water I’m afraid. In the UK ~97% of violence against women and girls is perpetrated by men. Therefore this discussion centring on male behaviour is correct. The initial idea not so much, as much as a reprieve from worrying would be nice.

Exactly. Who is a racist going to listen to? Black people saying don't attack black people or their white peers?

Men who hate or look down on women don't care about women. They dont listen to women. But they do care about what men say. They will care if they are shamed by their peers. They will care if they are ostracised by their peers. They still won't care about women, but they'll at least control their behaviour towards women.

Extra onions wrote:-
"Men need to own the behaviour of thier sex, and acknowledge that they are part of the problem"

There's a post that blames all men. According to that poster all men are part of the problem.

What the fuck are you on about? Review my parenting? I haven’t mentioned any of my children. The usual misogynist shit, I see.

A curfew for men doesn’t erase the patriarchy or the thirst for male violence. In fact it would only likely increase it.

This. It will be seen as an attack on all men and prompt even more backlash and misogyny.

It also reinforces the idea that men are all expected to be violent and predatory towards women, which is a key tenet of rape culture. "Men are dangerous just because they're men, the only way to keep women safe is to gender segregate."

So it's ok to be sexist but not racist. Saying all males should have a curfew is sexist and I can't believe mumsnet is allowing this thread

@Differentstarts eh? How is discussing ways of tackling VAWG sexist?

After Sarah Everard went missing the advice was for women to ‘stay at home.’ And no-one was up in arms about it. At the time a politician suggested maybe men did so…

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/13/men-curfew-sarah-everard-women-adapt-violence

And what is the percentage of women who are committing violent crimes. The whole point of the thread is people saying all males should have a curfew so why shouldn't the race with the highest crime rate all have a curfew. It shouldn't because it's racist just like males shouldn't because it's sexist

Don’t be silly. This is MN. 15% of men responsible for violence against women is absolutely justification for locking them up alongside the other 85% who haven’t actually done anything wrong - y’ know, just in case !! Then we have a suggestion that no man should be let out until the age of 25 when he’s ‘earned’ a licence, and that that licence should be revoked if he collects enough penalty points for bad behaviour. It’s batshit and the way some posters are framing it as a realistic solution to violence against women is quite scary.

Imagine a man posting that all women should be issued with similar curfew and ‘licensing’ because of the bad behaviour of a minority. The cries of misogyny would be loud and long. But to suggest it’s fine to do this to men isn’t misandry apparently. I’ve seen some double standards on MN but this one takes the cake.

And you seem to think joining a convent segregates women from men, or somehow keeps them safe. Not a Catholic then, I imagine, or someone who gives a fuck about VAWG, given the clear flippancy of your convent comment.