To suggest a male curfew one night a week

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when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

Its an interesting thought experiment. If men were under curfew or magically dissappeared altogether the criminal/power vacuum will be filled by other women. This idea that with no men about it would result in crime free safe streets is nonsense. Sexual crimes would be virtually nil but there are plenty of scumbag women out there who will happily mug you for your mobile or handbag, sell drugs or get into fights at kick out time.

Never said they were - I suggested it as a solution to OPs desire to segregate the sexes she can join a convent

My son is 12. I do not want him to grow up in a society in which people appear to assume him to be violent and abusive AND to propose punishments (and yes that's what curfew is) just on the supposition he might be.

My DD is 18. She prefers to go out in mixed groups - she feels safe and comfortable with her friends and would be horrified that some of the people on this thread think that many of her friends should be punished for their Y chromosome.

If this is clickbait - I've been suitably baited - you want to curtail the freedom of my DP, brother, brother in law, son, nephews, my 16 year old Ukrainian guest, my neighbours 4 lovely sons, my DCs friends and class mates and teachers, my local shop keepers ... and so on... all because SOME people misbehave..

Vile misandry very sad to see it on mumsnet

This has to be the most brainless OP I've ever read on here. I've barely got down the first page and numerous suggestions have been given as to why it's stupid. Not least this one

What about the fact it would essentially TRAP abused women at home with abusive men angry about the discriminatory rule? Where they are more likely to be abused than a woman on the street?

Then of course there's all the anger it will cause men, who'll then blame women for y, and we'll end up with even more misogynists who'll use their 'not allowed out' evenings to tune into Andrew Tate for the first time, and suddenly think 'maybe he's right'.

Not blaming all men and pointing out women are also violent isn't ignoring the issues...

I just can't see how it would work.

I'm not sure having one night where only the predatory men are out and about is a good thing. Surely that would make women more vulnerable, not less?

Errrrrr

18-25 year olds are a huge group of those working late nights as bar staff, packing crews, fast food staff, shitty construction...

you do know that woman also attack other woman don't you? and you do know that not all men are violent beasts?

what a ridiculous notion

Like Wayne Couzens. Brilliant idea.

This. I’m really surprised MN has let this thread stand.

If this is clickbait - I've been suitably baited - you want to curtail the freedom of my DP, brother, brother in law, son, nephews, my 16 year old Ukrainian guest, my neighbours 4 lovely sons, my DCs friends and class mates and teachers, my local shop keepers ... and so on... all because SOME people misbehave..

@listsandbudgets you do realise that statistically 15% of these people ‘misbehave’ so let’s say you’re talking about roughly 100 people in the group you’ve identified. 15 of them will commit VAWG.

@Iwasafool
I had the same thoughts. And also, how easy it would be to forge said licenses and for 'non-licensed' men to get a pass to be out.

All the man haters on here do you have sons/grandsons/nephews. Not all men are violent criminals and not all women are innocent gentle beings

So if we disagree with the OP, we're men?

Good grief.

This is an incredible stretch 🥴

So no answer then. Well off with you then, to go do all of those useful things we should be doing instead of waffling about on MN!

YES! We know that. We also know that 98% of sexual and violent crime is committed by men and we cannot tell, just by looking, who the good men are and who the sexual violent predators are.

No-one throwing about the misandrist title has yet been able to explain why they think this discussion is that?

This is about returning freedom to women for one night not punishing men and certainly no-one anywhere has said ‘all men are evil’ or anything remotely like that

I also disagreed with the OP, or did you miss that bit?

I disagree with the OP too.

I’m not a man. I used it. Because that’s what it is. If someone had posted something even half as misogynistic as this thread is misandrist it would have been taken down by now

Not it wouldn't because the reverse already happens in other countries - see Afghanistan and other countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran to a lesser extent. But women are kept indoors to stop them being attacked by men who can't control themselves.

The suggestion is to keep men indoors to stop them attacking women (and other men, come to that, because they can't control themselves.

No reason to take a thread down because it's an unworkable idea. The reverse seems to be eminently workable, though. Funny, that.

So did the woman who attacked and hospitalised me... and the men who pulled her off me

Oh god yes, BargingOnBy, do seek therapy won’t you? It’s definitely your fault for not being more mentally robust than the, quite logical, fear of violence from unknown men, that’s the problem. FFS.

I have always walked my dogs, for miles, along the quiet and remote north Kent Coast and the adjoining farmland. More than once I’ve seen a lone man in the distance and my hackles have gone up, and I’ve tried to get back to my car as soon as humanly possible. Once a man literally ‘followed’ me whilst I was on a farm track and he was on the parallel sea wall - which are about 100 hundred metres apart maybe. We were the only two humans visible for miles. I just got a weird feeling about him. Instead of watching the cost line for birds as is usual for lone people there he was facing me and if I went left for a while, so did he. I stopped and went right, he stopped and went right. I was shit scared, no phone signal, alone. I basically left the farm track and entered the field and tried to run though it as fast as possible back to the car park, I couldn’t see what he was doing at the time but hoped he was following the sea wall which would give me a bit more time than him.

I haven’t walked that route alone since.

An acquaintance of mine, Claire Knights, was murdered in the same area a short while ago by a lone, unknown, man whilst she was walking her dog. I wonder if you’ve even heard of her? No, I won’t be seeking therapy for any fear I have, you absolute flan.

All the man haters on here do you have sons/grandsons/nephews. Not all men are violent criminals and not all women are innocent gentle beings

@Differentstarts please quote me one quote from this thread which looks to be from someone who hates all men?

Aren't women more likely to be harmed or murdered by their intimate partner statistically? So what happens when those women are in effect trapped with their abuser? It's such a stupid idea. I don't know what the answer is to end male violence. There probably is no solution but this certainly ain't it.

Another excellent point

A curfew for men doesn’t erase the patriarchy or the thirst for male violence. In fact it would only likely increase it.