To suggest a male curfew one night a week

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when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

Why? Nothing special happens when someone turns 55. They are the same person they were at 45.

How ridiculous. Who on earth would think men willing to break the law with violence would be willing to abide by the law of a curfew? It would also be against the civil liberties of honest and decent men.

Are you all going to stay in the other six nights? Because I think that would be the next step so maybe keep your ideas under wraps or you might get more than you bargained for.

Right. The poster doesn't seem to understand that a bad man is a bad man no matter what age he is.

The 26 years olds would have spend ages 16-25 under a curfew and would have had to pass a test to get a licence. I would suspect they would learn how to behave in public if they wanted to keep it.

This is disgusting. It’s the equivalent to picking out a group of people based on race and saying that they should be banned from the streets. I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been taken down

Of course
Men over 55 are completely harmless 🙄

Ignoring your transphobia

I'm the last person to put my fingers in my ears about VAWG but suggestions need to be a) effective and b) legally enforceable to be worth a moment's discussion.

This suggestion is neither effective nor legally enforceable so discussing it is a complete waste of everybody's time.

That is very true, so we must do what we can to teach men how to behave and target those that won’t

If anything a curfew is the perfect opportunity. Quieter streets, 63% of the police force stuck at home, and women lulled into a false sense of security. Someone who wants to commit a rape is already planning a crime, they're not going to think oh no I'd love to go out and rape but I can't break curfew, I might get a fine.

97% of 18-24s have experienced public sexual harassment.

c.4 MILLION MEN are perpetrators of VAWG

That equates to around 14% of men being a danger to women.

I mean something dramatic has to be done. The police have said clearly this goes beyond a policing matter to solve.

Didn't the Nazis do that with Jews at the start of the war?

My son was mugged in a really violent and traumatic way when at uni. Destroyed his mental health for a long time.

Yes, but DV in the home has very specific dynamics and the age group most likely to commit these crimes is not the younger cohort.

There's no specific dynamics - except insufficient and poorly funded public services. It's also not limited to men aged over 25. Lots of younger men do DV. Not only against girlfriends and wives (and children) but also in some cases against their mothers or younger siblings.

I think in fact that one of the reasons why DV is such a big (and increasing) problem is partly because of subconscious or unconscious victim blaming attitudes. People, very often subconsciously, think it's "not as serious" as stranger attacks, because "I'm not that type of woman", when really it can happen to anyone.

The way to tackle both DV and VAWG commited by strangers (and violent crime in general) is through improving and increasing public services.

Crime increases in failing societies with high poverty levels, lack of decent housing, underfunded and ineffective public services, punitive benefits systems, and lack of good job, training, and education opportunities. Failing to fund and sustain support and services leads to a breakdown in community and society.

Please tell us the details of this test, I'm fascinated that you think there's a test that can accurately determine who will and who won't go on to commit a sexual assault.

Of course men over 65 commit crimes, but are less likely to than those who are younger.

Of course women commit crimes but usually of a less serious nature and certainly in lower numbers than males. That isn’t transphobia to point out sex based differences.

Laws that restrict what individuals can do and where they can go based on sex or gender are not acceptable except in exceptionally limited scenarios. Things like gender-based curfews will ultimately be used to restrict women - often in the name of protecting them.

Segregating society is not the solution to misogyny and violence against women.

Use some common sense. Unless men are going to be physically locked in their houses, the bad ones will still go out and have a much easier time picking off lone women out wandering at night under the illusion that they are safe.

There’s no guarantees for anything but it’s certainly one way to make women safer on the streets.

Just like a driving licence and learning to use the roads safely. Males need to learn how to behave in public that doesn’t cause stress and alarm.

Shouldn't that be men's issue to solve? They're the ones doing this. They should be teaching each other how to behave properly.

And neither is blaming and punishing every man.

There was a book written a few years ago, I forget the name. My friends and I had a great discussion about what we could then do. We could go sit on the beach, walk home with no gear, the freedom it would offer. I think it would be amazing.

What this thread has highlighted is that there are actually a fair few men on Mumsnet.

And as somewhat of an aside, the only people I hear using the word misandry are a certain subset of society who shall not be named, but if you know, you know.

Yes but what would this test look like? What would they have to do? Prove they can walk past a woman without wolfwhistling?

It’s all of society that should be teaching men how to behave. Males aren’t always aware of the ways in which the behave that can cause alarm and distress, therefore women need to be involved in that conversation.