Labour Corruption?

[Zebedee999]

Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

No. Every single person I named is a current Labour minister in the cabinet right now.

And every single example you named has either been exonerated or committed their offence in the previous Labour government which came to an end 14 years ago.

Did you not manage to read the responses you got explaining some facts? Or do you prefer to just continue on the same false track?

Oh yes! That means they're all fine and great and we must forget everything they've ever done! Even though they've only even back in government a few weeks and even ones like Reeves who's behaviour was rather more recent. I genuinely can not believe that people are happy to accept the utterly disgraceful appointments in the current cabinet.

Well yes. If the evidence is disproved then surely there's not an issue. Innocent until PROVEN guilty right?

I genuinely can not believe that people are happy to accept the utterly disgraceful appointments in the current cabinet.

They look pretty innocuous to me compared with those we’ve been expected to accept from the Tories.

This makes me a bit sick actually. It's back to that recent (Johnson onwards) Tory pattern of throwing dirt, even if it's total lies, in the hope that something sticks. It can be disproved but they stick to the party line of repeating the lies.

Exactly what has been disproved? Smith and her porn scandal? Bryant and Cooper flip-flopping homes? Reeves' parliamentary credit card being stopped and the meeting with Bloomberg? None of it has been disproved, it's all true. I thought misinformation was banned.

Oh dear, can you really not read the responses?

Misinformation is discouraged. Presumably you missed this post?

Rachel Reeves? Links, please.
Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls were cleared of wrongdoing around their expenses claim in 2008, and Yvette Cooper's donations from MLM were listed in the Members' Interests as being for office expenses.
Which Alexander are you talking about, Douglas or Heidi?
Jacqui Smith was let off with an apology after demonstrating that she received incorrect advice from parliamentary authorities and resigned over her husband's porn films - so she paid for her sins.
Chris Bryant flipped homes during the expenses scandal - as did dozens and dozens of others, and that was over a decade ago.

So unless you have links to anything current, you're on very shaky ground with this.

Reeves was one of 19 MPs from all parties who got behind with presenting receipts in 2015.

Well congratulations on finally 'coming out'. You started off like Farage - "Just asking questions" and now the big reveal. You're not a political innocent at all. You have very firmly held convictions - which boil down to: Labour bad, Conservatives good - let the Tory toffs rule forever!

Why can't you just condemn all corruption as I have? Most posters here happily defend the blatant Labour corruption by pointing at the Tory corruption as justification.
Politicians work for us, we should hold them to account no matter what team you bat for.
This thread is full of Labour supporters who will not condemn any Labour corruption whatsoever, instead point at the Tory corruption. Fine when the Tories were in power, but now it's Labour that need to be held to account as they are in power. Instead many here excuse Labour because it's their team. Don't be a member of a team you sheep... expect high standards from those that govern you!!!

You don’t know what corruption means

I'm sure, at some point in the past, in the present and no doubt in the future, someone in the Labour Party will be guilty of corruption. It's the human condition.

But you @Zebedee999 specifically called out donations from the unions to the Labour Party as corruption. And it has been explained time and time again to you, that this is not corruption.

Why do you refuse to accept this? You write well, so you can't be stupid. Perhaps you have an agenda here? Get away

I'll call corruption of any politician affiliated to any party - but only when what's being described as corruption actually is.

@Zebedee999 it has been explained to you that what you describe is not corruption. You are either unable or unwilling to understand. That being so, you're going to get dismissed as just another sour grapes Labour basher.

The original post/motivation for the thread looks like a bad-faith attempt to get a conclusion that 'there are bad people on Both Sides'.

A lot of politicians, all parties, are corrupt. Anyone that expected Labour to be any different to the previous lot will end up disillusioned.

It’s always been the same. ☹️

OP it would be good if you engaged with any of the numerous posts here that set out why this isn't corruption. Just dropping in now and again to basically restate your OP as if no one's said anything isn't very effective.

Step 1. Say something stupid which you think is perceptive
Step 2. Get corrected/mocked
Step 3. Accuse others of being triggered

No doubt there will be Labour corruption scandals. It's the nature of the beast. But this isn't one.

Exactly. I’ll condemn corruption wherever it comes from. There isn’t any here.

I don’t need a history lesson; I am well aware of the link between the unions and the Labour Party although we don’t send children down the mines anymore so perhaps they need to move on. Also, you seem to have missed my point. I am saying that Labour are giving jobs to the boys just the same as the Tories do

although we don’t send children down the mines anymore so perhaps they need to move on.

So we no longer need unions because children don't go up chimneys.

Any other pearls of wisdom?

They're politicians, ergo many of them are corrupt, no matter what party. You're wasting your time having a go at Labour though on here as most of MN (or the ones who post) are Labour supporters and will see no wrong in them.