Labour Corruption?

[Zebedee999]

Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

Neither does the RMT. This was pointed out pretty early in the thread, by me and at least one other poster. It was ignored.

My post didn't mention pending appeals though - I was rather pointing out the contradictory statement made by DuncinToffee with regards to the term 'refugee' which I understand is a specific status.

In fact in would appear that Henry Newman was not fined;

A former councillor has been found to not have broken any Covid rules while working as an adviser at Downing Street.

Henry Newman had faced intense Partygate speculation over whether he had been given a penalty similar to those received by former prime minister Boris Johnson.

Asked by the New Journal to clear up whether he had been among scores of people fined for attending gatherings during lockdown, he said that he was not on that list, had not paid a fine and he had been able to produce evidence that he had done nothing wrong.

https://www.camdennewjournal.co.uk/article/former-downing-street-adviser-henry-newman-was-not-fined-over-partygate

it would appear

What contradictory statement?

Refugees - i.e. people granted refugee status can go straight to the job centre or the benefit office. I think you meant to say asylum seekers.

I said that was what Farage and chums were claiming about small boat arrivals

I see that Henry Newman has written a comprehensive piece for Conservative Home;

https://conservativehome.com/2024/08/23/henry-newman-swamped-by-cronyism-labour-are-failing-to-live-up-to-their-own-ethical-standards/

The Institute for Government have been somewhat kinder - not cronyism but an unforced error;

It is not apparent what civil service advice was given to ministers, but the consequences of exceptional civil service appointments of politically aligned individuals should have been made clear and alternatives recommended.

The established routes protect the civil service from politicisation and ministers from the appearance of impropriety, particularly where in-kind or financial donations are part of the picture. Neither objective has been met by this approach, which is all the more unfortunate given Keir Starmer’s focus on ethics and propriety during the election campaign.

An impartial civil service matters. It is an asset to ministers and an asset to the country. Short circuiting the recruitment practices, designed to ensure appointment on merit and protect impartiality, is a mistake.

You quite clearly said 'refugees'.

This what I posted, please explain what contradictory statement I am making here

Wasn't it Farage who suggested that refugees were going straight to the job centre? Or was it the benefit office?

My original post was just one line - I admit I was being a little flippant but a 'refugee' has a specific status, e.g.

In the UK, a person becomes a refugee when government agrees that an individual who has applied for asylum meets the definition in the Refugee Convention they will “recognise” that person as a refugee and issue them with refugee status documentation.

Flippant will do, thanks

Clav it's clear Duncin was quoting Farage and not making a statement they believe.

Coming back to this as it is very far off how I live my life, which is in a mixed area in London, where I am nice to everyone and pretty much everyone is nice to me - which is a nice way to live. The hospitals here obviously reflect the community. I live in a particularly strong community which I appreciate.

Having listened more to Germany events and the fear from both sides I still think Aus has it right. As pp said walk down a Sydney street or along those lines. You can have a multicultural set up, and a system that favours control at the point of entry. And imo it lowers tension

Blair recently said something similar about rules, I mean he's not the best for this topic, but he is one politician who has voiced something a bit closer to what I think the major and growing tension will be over time

I think you have misunderstood the discussion and I can't be bothered to go through it again. In any case, Duncin wasn't quoting Farage directly - she posted a flippant remark about something she thought he may have said.

And those people already resident in the UK for years, are generally housed in social housing and receiving state benefits as they are UK residents and have been for years

What in the world makes you believe that? You couldn’t be further from the truth.
Refugees are treated appallingly. When I encounter them at work I feel deep shame for how badly our country behaves towards them. The hostile environment remains in full swing, against some of the most traumatised and vulnerable people imaginable.

I think you have misunderstood. It seems Duncin thinks that too. So both of us have explained to you but still you don't get it. Ah well no point trying any more on that one!

Blimey Labour corruption scandal again. This time undeclared clothes/personal shopping for SKS' wife. I'm guessing SKS will say he didn't understand the (simple) declaration rules despite having being a previous DPP.
I was expecting better from this lot, how naieve was I?

I think you’ll find just about everyone was expecting better. There are quite a few very pissed off Labour voters right now.

There is a whole thread on it … but hey, why bother looking, when you can just resurrect an old one

I think we need a rule that says MPs and PMs are not allowed to receive any gifts at all bar from family members (would be a bit harsh if the PM's wife couldn't buy him a Christmas prezzie after all). Would be much simpler.

Aside from that they are nowhere near reaching the previous government's levels of corruption and I'm quite happy to give them more than a scant 2 months in power.

To be fair, everything on that other thread should really be on here. It’s not the poster above that didn’t bother looking, but whoever started the other one!

Not really. This thread was started because Labour did something to end the strikes, and OP mistakenly saw this as 'corruption'.

The other thread is about undeclared gifts, which certainly is corruption if shown to be intentional, and is at the very least extremely foolish even if the declaration was delayed in error. Which is why accepting gifts should be banned - but they are two completely different things.

That is certainly one interpretation...but as this thread is about donations from the unions and subsequent pay rises, and the clothing (or Starmani scandal as I have decided to call it 😂) fiasco is also about donations albeit for unclear/murky ends there is definitely a theme that ties them together!

Union members freely give Labour party some money, they have to opt in to do so.
Are you against individuals giving a small amount of money to a political party? or is it only when its the Labour party?

Yet presumably all on board with Frank Hestor giving the Tories £20m or Cameron claiming DLA and using the NHS for his son when his net worth was £30m.

Hyprocrisy.