Labour Corruption?

[Zebedee999]

Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

New industry estimates revealed today show that railway revenue foregone because of strikes since June 2022 has totalled around £850 million – a debilitating amount for the industry and a huge burden that falls directly on the taxpayer

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/major-breakthrough-in-rail-dispute-could-signal-end-of-national-strikes

It's all just a massive case of sour grapes because the country has been putting up with massively inconvenient strikes for the last few years because the Tories refused to negotiate, preferring to kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with and to use the strikes as a wedge issue. Normally, Tories like to bleat on about how Labour are 'in bed' with the unions and when they get in there will be strikes, like in the version they remember of the
70s. That doesn't quite work this time around as the strikes have been called off the moment Labour got in, pretty much. Oh no, what to do?! I know, let's say it's corruption to pay public sector workers a decent wage after years of stagnation and when, in most cases, they're having to work harder than ever due to recruitment and retention issues (exacerbated by Brexit - which party caused that?) and other social issues also caused by lack of funding in other areas. Perfect!

Guessing that over three-quarters of a billion pounds would have covered some substantial pay-rises - what a total utter waste

Yes Duncin that was the amount he said it had cost. He's only 20 (just 😂) and he seems to understand it better than many adults.

I'm extremely proud of his interest in politics.

I was more interested in clubbing at his age 😂🫣

@cupcaske123 I don't know. Not my area of expertise. Here's something from the electoral reform group that I found interesting though

www.electoral-reform.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Deal-or-no-deal-Party-Funding.pdf

🤣🤣🤣 How lovely to be so naive.

Some very sad Tories here all feeling a bit triggered that the Labour Party is ending expensive and disruptive strikes and helping ordinary public sector workers earn a decent wage. You lost. Get over it.

So the last Labour government was bent, but this one definitely isn’t? You’ll have to pardon me if I reserve judgement on that one.

Thanks for the link but I can't open it.

Train drivers last year were averaging circa £60k pa, this is now going up to nearly £70k for a 35 to 40h week. Not a bad number really.

All public sector workers are definitely train drivers. Every single one of them.

Where's the conflict of interest?

Eh? Labour have been anti working class for years now; completely uninterested in working class issues. Going back at least to Gordon Brown calling Mrs Duffy "bigoted" in 2010 because she expressed her concerns to him. Emily Thornberry slagging off working class white van van in 2014. SKS doing his level best to overturn Brexit which was primarily a working class protest vote against depressed wages from foreign competition / housing issues etc. Even now SKS and his two tier justice that is applied particularly harshly to working class people.
This government doesn't have the working class' back: taking pensioners winter fuel payments, letting 10,000 criminals back into predominantly poor areas, immigration amnesty and so on... all will hit the poor hardest. SKS has even said the BBC license fee will stay which is simply a tax on poor people, as are utility standing charges etc.
Nah the Labour party has been abusing the working class for decades now.

Well, that's a spectacular list of distortions and blatant untruths - it really shows you up for what you are, not someone with genuine concerns but just another one with a mouthful of unripe grapes.

The Brexit vote was much more complex than just working class people voting Leave. The strongest factor appears to have been education level and age, not social class - and lots of very very wealthy Tories voted Leave.

There is no two tier justice going on - rioters and lawbreakers are getting speedy justice because they have pleaded guilty. And they have pleaded guilty because they have been bang to rights on video and posting incitement on social media. Everyone involved in it who has been stupid enough to be identifiable is being dealt with, including a Labour councillor.

People are being released from prison because the previous government (who were they again, which party?) didn't bother to invest in the prison and criminal justice system, despite being warned that it was at breaking point. Responsibility lies with them, not with a government that has been in power all of 6 weeks.

KS is not in charge of the privatised utility companies. Who privatised those again? Which party? Yes, standing charges should go, but that isn't a simple process.

And as for the winter fuel payments - yes, some pensioners will struggle. But for the last 14 years it's working age people and the disabled who have been shafted, whilst older people have been shielded from austerity. Time the pain was shared.

As Leave voters used to enjoy saying: you lost. Get over it.

Immigration amnesty?

Any information on that policy?

So much wrong with that post, @Zebedee999 , but really, one of the saddest points raised is the implication that Gordon Brown, of all people doesn't care about working people. He may not have got everything right every time (who does?), but there are so many policies he oversaw that directly benefitted working class people - child trust funds, free museums, working tax credits etc. Now he continues to campaign against child poverty. He called Mrs Duffy a bigot not because he didn't care about her concerns but because he knew that the 'Eastern Europeans' she spoke about were not the cause of the issues she raised with him. Did Labour do enough to ensure that people in her position didn't feel 'left behind,' as it's called now? No. was that because Gordon Brown just didn't give a shit about the working class? No, absolutely not.

But we've had Brexit now, in just about the hardest form possible. How has it benefitted the working class (any sector of it at all) and, assuming that it has, why did we just have those riots? The idea that the architects of Brexit (Banks, Farage et al) care more about the working classes than Gordon Brown is just utterly ridiculous and I can't believe that anyone could really believe so.

On prisons

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prisons-full-courts-rishi-sunak-b2429426.html

You just need to accept you guys lost.

Of course Labour are corrupt. They're exactly the same as the Tories, or probably even worse if that's possible.

some examples might help

It's "corruption" of sorts but that's the government funding structure we have and it's the same for any party.

Isn’t it terrible how Labour ignored working class people in the past! And how terrible that working people who have suffered from real term pay cuts for years are now getting pay rises! Yeah, you can’t have it both ways. The Labour Party had pay rises in its manifesto and won an election. I know we aren’t used to politicians keeping their promises but slagging them off as corrupt for doing what they said they’d do is quite a reach.

I always find it strange that a tiny pay rise to the average employee = massive inflation risk for some opinions but 14% to the chief exec already earning 120x the average pay isn't 🤷‍♀️

Current ministers Cooper, Smith, Reeves, Alexander, Bryant all mired in financial scandal - that's just off the top of my head.

Neither the rail workers’ union nor the doctors’ union are affiliated to the Labour Party as far as I’m aware. Therefore the unions getting pay rises didn’t donate to Labour and your point (which is a bit daft anyway, to be completely honest) is rather moot, don’t you think?