Labour Corruption?

[Zebedee999]

Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

The cost of the strikes has been considerably higher than the cost of the settlement, so no.

Hardly. Since time immemorial big business has supported the Tories and the Unions labour. This is not a surprise to many people.

Great replies everyone. I hope this has been educational for you @Zebedee999

Truth only hurts if you have only just realised that Labour have always been funded in part by Union donations and they are all declared through Parliament.

You can even look them up online

Multiple in fact and didn’t think there was anything wrong with it and neither did the unions who supported him! This was also despite the fact said firm had also pleaded guilty to health and safety breaches resulting in one of their workers dying. The BBC ran a report about this before the result of the leadership election was confirmed. Gething had plenty of time to return the donations but didn’t.
So much for being concerned about workers’ rights. Can’t think of anything worse than an employer’s negligence causing or contributing to a worker’s death.

For the unions to have still backed Vaughan Gething knowing the very shady history of Dauson Environmental group was an absolute disgrace as far as I’m concerned.
I look forward to him announcing he’s not standing again in 2026.
It’s since come out that another of this firm’s workers has died at work following an accident too.

Did you also read that it came out Gething had tried to stop Natural Resources Wales releasing the correspondence he had sent to them pressing them to go easier on this firm following a Freedom of Information request?
Nothing to hide? 😉

Sometimes yes, but I'm sure you'll get over it. Glad we could help.

It is corruption if they are rewarding donors with money from the public purse

Train drivers have been underpaid for years? Yeah right!

There are limited public funds- if they’re going to train drivers they’re not going elsewhere. Eg in Scotland repeated high wage awards and a policy of no redundancies have led to large cuts in other areas.

Favouring a group that gives you money is definitely corruption.

No one is justifying Labour corruption because what you described is not corruption.

You are coming across as politically quite naive.

Perhaps I am naieve. To be honest asking the question I did has exposed me to so many insults, naieve is the tamest of the lot. It's odd why people are so triggered by a simple question they must resort to insults instead of reasoned debate. I have always been told that means your point is right when there is no reasoned debate only insults.

My simple question seems to have triggered many here. Some justify Labour corruption because the Tories were worse. I don't support corruption from anyone, why would you?

You asked if the pay awards are evidence of corruption and many people explained that they are not. People are not insulting you when they say you don't seem to understand the situation, they're just stating a fact. The alternative is that you're being disengenuous.

Of course it’s not corruption. It’s literally the government’s job to pay public sector workers. Public sector pay has fallen in real terms while private sector pay has risen. https://ifs.org.uk/publications/recent-trends-public-sector-pay

You are a bit naive, yes. Time to wise up.

You owe it to yourself to be a bit more discerning about your opinions. There is a wealth of very easily accessible information online about both political party donations and public sector pay rises. If you have access to mumsnet you have access to google. You could have spent fifteen minutes learning more about this topic and developing an informed opinion - or at least a basic understanding of the question you’re asking.

Instead, you’ve posted something which comes across as deliberately insinuating and inflammatory. Perhaps it’s intended to be so, or perhaps you really are very naive and uninformed. Whichever it is, it’s your responsibility as a good citizen to do better.

If you’re just being goady and stirring up trouble, shame on you. If you’re ignorant, then make a commitment to yourself that from now on instead of contributing to the endless flow of misinformation and fake news pumping around the internet, you’ll do the work required to educate yourself before posting shit like this.

Your question was "is it corruption" not "is the corruption justified'

People are explaining that it isn't corruption however you don't like that answer.

It is corruption to give massive government contracts to your mates who do not have a facilities to fulfil these contracts while taking millions of tax payers money.

It is not corruption to accept donations from the very group of people the party was in fact created to represent. Similarly the needs of the unions are generally in the best interests of the country as a whole not just a few millionaires. Junior doctors receiving a decent wage (for example) not only means that the strikes are ended, but that our NHS doesn't suffer from a mass exodus of the talent that they have spent time and money in training.

Jeremy Hunt even touched on the fact that the Tory party was basically unwilling to do anything about the strikes and the NHS when he was re elected at the last General election.

Why are pay awards to members of a union who gave money to the political party in power not corruption? Simply saying they’re not doesn’t make it so. Seems that there is a good case for it being corrupt to me.

The Labour Party was literally created out of the trades union movement. The betterment of working people is the entire raison de’etre of the Labour Party. There are 11 affiliated unions. The Labour Party and the unions are intrinsically linked. None of this is secret and if people do t like it, they don’t have to vote for it. If accepting funding from unions meant paying state employees was corrupt, then they would all have to work for free, which would make hiring teachers, nurses and refuse workers a bit tricky to say the least.

Well I don't think it was ever going to be the case that Labour weren't going to increase the stagnant pay in the ounlic sector

Would it be corrupt if the tories gave financial rewards to certain businesses who had given them money because they were “created to represent business”?

it is completely false that the “needs of unions” are in the interests of the country. They are generally opposed- more pay for public sector workers and other benefits needs to come from limited government resources. The government needs to consider the interests of society as a whole including taxpayers and the rest of society who needs public spending. The unions are there to consider the needs of their members only.

just because something is in your self interest doesn’t mean it is right

Isn’t it corrupt for any government to give financial rewards to people because they gave money to their party? Seems fairly obvious to me

if that was their policy surely they should have set that out prior to the election so voters could decide with all the information? They didn’t.

you could argue that the pay awards are coincidental but there’s no doubt they are on the generous side and that they gave in easily. Looks corrupt considering financial incentives to the Labour Party

There’s a difference between negotiating a fair settlement and working for free. Whether or no labour was set up by the unions is irrelevant. They were voted into power on a manifesto that did not include generous public sector pay raises

This is so patronising it’s ridiculous. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you or go along with your opinion doesn’t mean they’re uninformed. Perhaps it’s you who is uninformed?

I really don't get why folks need to be so bitchy and nasty to the OP, she just asked a simple question as to if this was corruption or not. Just vote one way or another and keep your bitchiness to yourself.

I was just going to say, patronising or what…

If only people could