Labour Corruption?

[Zebedee999]

Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

https://refugeesathome.org

Here you go, I'm sure there will be a few takers, like those who wish to pay extra tax to HMRC

There you go then the asylum process is not 'scrutiny enough' as claimed by pp

This is aimed at me - I didn't realise you believed that I thought an asylum seeker settling here would just be parachuted into care jobs without training, checks etc. It didn't occur to me that anyone would believe something as daft as that. The UK has a process for people going into employment and I would never suggest it be waived.

I've been through enhanced DBS twice, by the way. It really doesn't protect anyone against anything much. It doesn't, for example, check for crimes committed abroad. And oh dear, I'm foreign! I could have committed all manner of atrocities in the Netherlands and still have ended up where I am, working in the NHS. Does that not trouble you, @EasternStandard ? (I hope it does).

It was your answer @pointythings about the asylum process being 'enough scrutiny' so yes. And yes it is daft to have suggested it so I agree with you there.

It doesn't, for example, check for crimes committed abroad

Well there you go then. Hence I mentioned the Aus system of requesting a police certificate which does exactly that before you can obtain a passport, not sure about visa so googled

Q: Do you need a police check for an Australian visa?
A: Yes, most Australian visas require applicants to undergo a police clearance, also known as a national police clearance, police clearance certificate, or police verification certificate.

Q: What does the police check involve?
A: It involves obtaining a certificate from each country where you have spent a total of 12 months or more in the last 10 years since turning 16.

Wasn't it Farage who suggested that refugees were going straight to the job centre? Or was it the benefit office?

Such nonsense.

Wow, that's impressive. I'm thinking that crime just doesn't happen over in Aus then, with such a perfect vetting system.

And of course I apologise for being insufficiently clear in my original answer - I just assumed nobody would think bypassing UK systems would be a thing anyone would suggest.

So does Australia not employ a single person from countries ravaged by war then, and does the Australian government assume that all police forces the world over are beacons of integrity and goodness with ne'er a hint of corruption?

I'll let Aus know their process causes the obligatory mn sarcasm, it will matter a lot.

As for Farage in pp I'll leave that to those who follow his lines

I do think Aus are going to benefit from a system which is bipartisan and all citizens are happy with, even Labor voters no less, as we see rising numbers pretty much everywhere - across the channel, or the Med, or into the US.

I can't see countries dealing with it very well or politicians avoiding pressure

I am going to guess that the process of applying for a visa is different than applying for asylum.

I would just like to see whether Australia has better statistics on crime than countries which don't use their approach. I think that's a valid question.

Absolutely it is (have family who did it).

I can't see that anyone enters Aus without a visa as anyone who just arrives on the coast does not stay

People do enter to airports and then claim but of course you can't get on a plane without a passport

If you need a visa the country needs to say yes based on their conditions

They've got a lot more migrants.

People who go on about the Oz approach have clearly never walked around downtown Sydney.

Why? What did you see?

I have and I doubt you are making a point as it will be via visas

I watched that interview.

He was really good I thought and I say listening and thinking how could someone who is actually quite intelligent and calm have been karts to crashing our economy.

He quite a few things about how the Tory plans couldn't work but yes he was totally all but asking what Sunak was thinking suggesting the Rwanda plan and trying to act on it!

I see a country with a 30% foreign born population. What did you see?

Many people who are anti immigration in the UK would be fucking appalled by the level of immigration in Australia, legal or otherwise, yet it's often held up as some sort of utopia by any immigration talking heads in the UK. Just find it kinda amusing.

I've lived there half my life and dual citizen so it's normal to me. Some are unhappy with the level of immigration there atm but no one will run on changing the overall system, not Labor and citizens won't ever change to a UK style approach. They had boats, deaths and the messiness of irregular entry and won't go back to it.

As for a mixed demographic it has been largely successful and people make Australia their home.

You are mixing up getting to decide who enters with multicultural outcome. I would prefer the Aus system, I have been happy with their level of immigration when living there.

I'd be happier with more migrants too. I don't think that's a very common position in the UK though. And I don't think many people who care about this actually care about whether they were documented or not. The problem here for people, as we hear again and again, is the numbers. Australia has significantly higher numbers.

I'm also dual national.

Eastern I'm not sure people would necessarily want more than asylum process to accept people into their homes.

People accepted Ukrainian families into their homes - it's just they had a safe route here. And were offered visas on arrival without the need to claim asylum.

And there are plenty of people who accept male migrants into their homes through care work. Most if the agencies near me are migrant workers and we often have male workers.

They are damn hard workers too.

I haven't compared. I found the last few years a bit high but then Aus had the same post Covid due to staff shortages

It's not really that as a country with a system can in theory control who and how many and match to requirements

Irregular migration is not something that can be limited currently (except Aus) and it will become an increasing issue across the Med, channel and for US

Eastern** you clearly aren't thick. So why do you deliberately read what's written and try to take it in a way that everyone can see isn't intended and then argue that point for 3 whole pages.

Are you bored 😑

This made me laugh although just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you are right does it?

As for bored not really, having a relax children are happy playing somewhere

As for 'everyone' well I'm used to the same Labour voters tbh

Eastern It's not I don't agree with you. You have some interesting points.

I've just read todays entries and people have asked you questions which you avoid answering and then when people have said over and over about care workers having same checks as UK workers you deliberately ignored what they've said - picked up on one word - to argue that people would take them without checks.

It's there. I've read what people say. And I don't believe for one minute you haven't.

I'd love to hear more about what you say about Australia and their system. I'm not saying I agree with it or would want it but it's always good to hear how other countries do things. But your style of writing is combative rather than debating it's really hard to engage with.

And for the millionth time if you chose to read it - I'm not a Labour voter which others can back up. I vote for which ever party I think has the manifesto that most meets what I think the country needs.

So I have no skin in any party political point.

I have wondered this too. And then just below this post it happens again!

I specifically did answer one question about whether we have given people a room. I guess my yes answ is wasn't what was wanted as it got ignored.

The conversation about caring for dc came from a pp claiming the asylum process was scrutiny enough

I didn't think that was viable and it turns out they didn't either.

I have linked to Aus and in fact googled the police certificate and posted it, that's not 'combative', Although I do find the sarcasm that often comes back, or your post earlier to be just that.