Labour Corruption?

[Zebedee999]

Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

I'm not a Labour voter either - I have no vote in UK general elections, and in local elections recently I have been voting for independents because we have some really great ones.

The conversation about caring for dc came from a pp claiming the asylum process was scrutiny enough

Well no, it came from you assuming that I would want to waive training and the usual UK checks for asylum seekers whose claim had been granted and who were cleared to work. Which is quite an assumption to make, which was why I didn't anticipate that you would make it.

A friend of mine was cared for by Syrian refugee who came into the UK on a one plane ticket.
She was a highly qualified Doctor, probably saved my friends life.

But arguing over who can do what or live with whom is missing the point.

Events in Germany yesterday and in Southport (yes i know he was born in Cardiff but his parents weren't) is ammunition to the far right.

Germany's main opposition is calling for their borders to be closed to any Afghan or Syrian refugee or asylum seeker.

imho people are reaching a point that very soon, they will turn to other parties, its been done before and Trump may well win again based on immigration only.

I haven't got a vote in the GE either being a foreigner who arrived here by boat without needing a visa.

I am just fed up with the dehumanisation and scapegoating of refugees seeking protection.

Germany's main opposition is calling for their borders to be closed to any Afghan or Syrian refugee or asylum seeker.

I just half picked this up on R4 and wondered what it was referring to

I'm happy to talk about Aus system @itsgettingweird if you have a question and it's not just sarcasm in replies imo it wasn't that key over a decade ago but it will become more so as over the next one

They are well placed to avoid what @iwishihadknownmore has just posted

Closing borders to refugees and asylum seekers is not going to stop the far right hatred

As others have said, I don’t have a crystal ball. I have an expectation that addressing the smugglers and actually assessing asylum cases will result in a) some reduction in numbers in the medium to long term and b) a reduction in people being housed inappropriately in hotels, which will reduce dissatisfaction with numbers of asylum cases.

Yes, including me.
And I’ve already given one example of a policy of Labour's that I’m not delighted about.
As far as returns are concerned, none are from France, are they? They get returned home, not to a place along the way.
I was responding to someone (not you,maybe?) who said Cooper organising repatriation flights would cost us money because many go voluntarily. If that’s not the case then it won’t. Great.
You can’t use force against asylym seekers. That would be illegal (and unbelievably shitty).

I addressed all that about Alli already. The other one resigned. Excellent.

Perhaps you could enlighten Pat McFadden - he doesn't seem to know what's going on;

Pat McFadden, the Cabinet Office minister, said on Sunday he did not think Lord Alli still held a pass, but could not say why he had been granted one in the first place.

That’s for refugees, not asylum seekers. They aren’t the same thing.
Not everyone has the space or mental capacity to have someone (anyone) else living in their home.

Really it looks like both

'Refugees at Home is a UK charity which connects those with a spare room in their home to refugees and people seeking asylum who are in need of somewhere to stay.'

You know that him saying he didn’t think the pass was still valid is likely because he hadn’t needed to confirm it was rescinded - in part because he doesn’t see Lord Alli wandering about? The Times article shared earlier said it was to organise a donor event, so somebody knew, presumably.

People seeking asylum can’t just go and live somewhere random - unless they are unaccompanied minors placed by SS, anyway. If you want to look at how one of those adapted, and what he went through to get here, have a watch of Freddie Flintoff’s Field of Dreams on iPlayer. There’s a great conversation between him and Flintoff in the second episode of series 2, but he’s in most of series 1 as well. A most impressive young man.

itsgettingweird
People accepted Ukrainian families into their homes - it's just they had a safe route here. And were offered visas on arrival without the need to claim asylum.

I remember the government being criticised for 'strict and bureaucratic' rules with regards to visa requirements for Ukrainian refugees and forcing them to apply for visas before they arrived in the UK. Did we relax those rules in the end?

I’m not sure that’s the slam dunk you think it’s is. See evidence. Question motives. Draw conclusion.😂

You of course are at liberty to have lower expectations about the behaviour of the government. And you can also chose to ignore their incoming statement that they would be different. But that doesn’t mean we should all lower our standards just because ‘Not Tory’

The charity connects people that's the point of it and it includes people seeking asylum as I just pasted from their site.You are not correct about that

Perhaps someone on these threads will pick it up

Ok, nowhere have I said that I have lower expectations but if that is your conclusion, then so it will be 🙄

Asylum seekers are in hotels because they have to be in approved facilities.

Are you suggesting their website is wrong?

• or are seeking asylum in the UK

We may be able to arrange for short-term, temporary accommodation with one of our volunteer hosts if you:

• have refugee status
• have leave to remain
• are actively engaged in the asylum process, or
• are hoping to come to the UK under the Homes for Ukraine sponsorship scheme.

Not sure what that means exactly or how far along in the process they are

It's good you are recognising it's a possibility rather than 'silly', there's loads of stories on there

Are you interested?

I have never said it wasn't a possiblity, that was your assumption

The silly comment was reagarding the 'have you housed an asylum seeker' question.

And no, I don't have a spare room. But there are many other ways to support refugees and asylum seekers.

Whatabout you?

I quite like the look of that charity but no I have not taken anyone in, I have three dc and a four bed house in London for a start.

My issue is with trafficking networks, profit, misery basically the whole set up. It is going to put pressure on countries as numbers increase and extreme events will spike reactions as we can see in Germany today

So I'd still like the Aus system, vetting etc at the same time as thinking many people benefit from that charity

I don't know why people are resistant to it tbh, when you have it you think tg no more deaths etc and decisions can be made. Aus is centre left not far right, it can mean happier less divided citizens - on this issue anyway

What do they do if not one or both of those if they are granted refugee status?