Labour Corruption?

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Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

Maybe No10 could do with new wallpaper

Peers don’t as a rule have unrestricted access to Downing Street. If you can’t see that someone having access as a result of donating £500k to the PMs campaign is, at the very least, sleazy then all you’re doing is supporting the general publics view that all politicians are corrupt. And on took of that it’s to organise celebrations and parties that will probably lead to further donations to the Labour party.

There’s a worrying trend on the left to just assume that ‘their side’ is always right, regardless of the facts, and to lose (or perhaps they never had…) the ability to think critically. The rest of us, correctly, can see the signs that this government is no different to any politician, of any colour, that has gone before

'They are all the same' doesn't sound like critical thinking to me

It was blown out of all proportion by the Tory government and the Tory media.

A few days ago, Kwasi Kwarteng said in an interview (GMB iirc) that the Rwanda policy couldn't be delivered by Rishi Sunak and he only kept it going to save embarrassment

What was? Channel crossings?

Yes. And the numbers in accommodation at our expense (is only as big as it is because they chose not to assess). And the impact of asylum seekers (even when asylum is granted) on immigration as a whole. And, actually, the boat crossing numbers as part of asylum.

Nothing sleazy about trying to get donations. It’s how the system works. Now, if you are saying we should publicly fund political parties and allow no donations at all from any source, I’d be with you - but you aren’t. Lord Alli wasn’t given something which benefitted him personally, he was given temporary access to organise an event. He didn’t benefit financially or in terms of power himself, ergo it isn’t corruption. I’m sure civil servants and others working for the government have more important things to be getting on with than party planning - that’s all that was happening.
I’ll criticise Labour when I don’t like what they are doing - for eg I don’t like the ‘Cliff edge’ nature of the WFA decision. But this is a non-story.

The Times article even states

There is no suggestion Alli is seeking a role or has broken any rules.

Yes. As @cardibach said.

The way it has been handled by the previous government and their pressure is the root of so much hatred and acceptance of racism.

Well they're out now. So if numbers go up with Labour in power will it be a problem for them?

Let's see what happens. I'd rather that than make baseless predictions!

Is your expectation channel crossings will now go down with Labour in power?

Ooh do you think @cardibach might have a crystal ball? Or shall we wait and see, and deal with facts?

It's the rethoric around refugees seeking asylum, the dehumanisation of them, rather than the numbers.

You already are by suggesting the issue exists due to the last gov

I'd say you are not correct on that, especially since we have the numbers we do already this summer

The issue I'm suggesting that exists because of the previous government isn't the number of boats. Do look back and you will see.

The issue I am suggesting is the reaction to asylum seekers, being blown out of all proportion by the government and media.

Just as @DuncinToffee said there.

Yes deflection time

Posters making big claims about this problem existing due to the last gov, therefore why would it continue and actually get worse as it has?

Well for you as you don't mind climbing numbers but it seems others do so Labour will have to deal with it somehow

The previous government decided to stop processing asylum claims and created a backlog

And this happened

Invention.

I haven't said anything about how I feel about climbing numbers. However my biggest concern is the way the story has been presented to the country by the government and the media, stirring up hatred and fear, instead of compassion even when children drown. I hope you can understand my point now.

@EasternStandard I'm not sure whether you are wilfully misunderstanding or just misunderstanding, but there are two issues here that it would be helpful to address:

1. Do you accept that the previous government, either through incompetence or political malice, allowed the asylum backlog to escalate to where it is now?
2. Do you accept that one significant reason why the asylum situation is such a political hot potato is due to the deliberate use of dehumanising and hateful rhetoric by the previous government and its vassal press? (Other valid reasons also exist)

Answers on a postcard? Having sight of where you stand on this would probably be useful in terms of whether or not the discussion continues.

That's a useful post @pointythings good questions.

It’s not corruption at all. The Labour Party is the political arm of the Labour movement, which is the unions. Funding the body established to pursue your political aims isn’t corruption