Labour Corruption?

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Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

The times weren’t that different. If it can be done once, it can be done again. Starmer’s nothing of the sort.

Sorry but uk debt to gdp is almost 100% now, growth is super low, the population is a lot higher, older and in poor health, tax rates are the highest in 75 years & no one from the EU with equivalent training wants to come he and who can blame them.

What people i know who work in health say is more akin to a 3rd world country than a so called advanced european economy.

Starmer would have fitted in to the Tory party of 15 years ago, same with Reeves, both brexitiers now, despite their arguments just a few years ago.

He takes away WFA in his first 50 days, yet does nothing about the causes of super hi energy prices first - beyond pathetic and worthy of Osborne/Austerity, who also didn't give a fuck about people people just above the poverty line either.

They promised low energy bills not fucking higher ones.

no one from the EU with equivalent training wants to come he and who can blame them.

We won’t let them come, however much they might want to. I don’t share your pessimism. The NHS was founded when the UK economy was on its knees. The Attlee government achieved miracles when the national debt was over 200% of GDP, there’s absolutely no reason why the country can’t be turned round again.

They can be removed.
Yvette Cooper is currently focusing on deportations of failed asylum seekers and has overseen the largest single deportation flight the UK has managed.

'The approach is designed to restore the numbers of returns to what they were when Labour was last in power — from 46,000 a year to almost 27,000 last year. '
There is a particular focus on returns to Vietnam, Pakistan, Albania, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq and India — countries that are in the top 16 for small boat arrivals. Vietnamese arrivals account for 17 per cent of all Channel crossings.

There has also been a 50% increase in the number of National Crime Agency officers sent to work at Europol to identify smuggling gangs.

There is obviously an enormous amount of work to be done to fix and improve existing broken systems. Not easy of course because of the massive backlog of 100,000 asylum seekers that havent been processed at all over the last year.

www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labours-migrant-policy-is-up-in-the-air-drf9bxqw2

@cardibach She can say what she likes but many of those will not accept returns.

Labour have made certain choices, they will not re band expensive houses and they not tax the super rich.
Starmer says "things are going to get worse for working people before they get better"

FFS That could have been said by Cameron, May, Bojo, Truss or Sunak.

Things aren't getting worse for the wealthy though, they are getting better.

What was the point of voting in Labour if all we are getting is the Tory party from 2015? because thats exactly what Labour seem to be.

We now have Starmer accepting 10s of £'000s in accomodation and gifts from a Labour donor during the GE campaign..... Country First, Party Second...... oh really!!!

Apparently all ok because the Tories do this all the time.

I was happy to state that the earlier examples weren’t corruption, just a bit naive and,,in some cases, sleazy. How we, giving someone who donated £500,000 to Sir Kier Starmer an ‘access all areas’ pass to Downing Street normally only given to people employed as political advisors or civil servants crosses the line for me…

No 10 pass for Labour donor who gave £500,000

https://www.thetimes.com/article/7d574f36-720f-4485-9b06-9242999b0494?shareToken=e4a967c3f098d58e606e6e1aa506b276

Absolutely no excuse for this.

Normal members of the public don't get VIP passes to No10 and neither should he.

So nothing on the issues that are ruining peoples lives in the UK, such as no access to dental services, something that can be fixed relatively quickly, as unlike in most areas of healthcare, where we have staff & equipment shortages, we have plenty of dentists, its just that the Govt won't pay them enough to offer NHS treatment.

I’m sure she knows the details and the law better than someone on MN.

Well, it seems odd (Times though, so maybe missing some important details?) but it’s not giving advantage really, is it? Reads like it was so he could organise an event. It’s not like, I dunno, putting a Russian oligarch into the actual House of Lords.
So - not ideal, I’d like it explaining, also not corruption and still better than we’ve had for the last several years. I’ll take that to be going on with.

We grant about two thirds and many refusals go to appeal so majority won't be deported. In any case many failed asylum seekers depart voluntarily which is far cheaper for the tax payer than Labour's approach.

Trafficking networks just go with profit, if you can remove Vietnam from the equation due to being a safe country then other countries of origin will pick up

We grant that many because that many are entitled. That’s fine. And I’m pretty sure nobody leaving voluntarily will be forced onto a plane at government expense, so no, it won’t increase costs for those ones.

Labour are finally aware it's an issue, for them now, at least they've stopped going on about 'culture wars' since it is their actual political reality.

I expect it won't go away as a problem despite trying to use headlines such as deportation as numbers across the channel will keep increasing. This is what people are looking at and will be reported on.

Some on mn won't mind numbers going up but politically it's a problem

They never said discussion of immigration and asylum was ‘culture wars’. They were referring to Tories creating an issue around asylum seekers by building up numbers of unassessed people (that was a political choice) and weaponising that part of the debate.

The sheer number of small boats migrants is a tiny, tiny sliver of the migration total in this country. Just over 30,000 people came over this way in the 12 months to June.

But it's piddling in comparison with the overall migration total of around 1.3 million.

https://news.sky.com/story/despite-home-office-claims-small-boat-crossings-havent-fallen-but-look-elsewhere-for-real-immigration-story-13201208

Well they in front of it now. Riots included and incarceration included. 'Weaponising' is just frippery when it's a growing political problem that and increasing number would like resolved. This isn't going away, not whilst climate pressure and numbers track upwards.

Labour know it's a rising issue hence the deportation headlines. I don't think it'll work to send back a few to Vietnam by plane when 500 plus a day are in headlines. Cooper will revert to standard lines especially if there are more fatalities but it will put on the pressure.

Labour dealt well with the riots

@EasternStandard nobody is suggesting it isn’t an issue. Of course they have to deal with it, but it really isn’t as big an issue as some others they have to face, and isn’t even the biggest issue to resolve around immigration. So far they are suggesting more sensible and practical measures than we’ve heard before and actually making some progress on them.

The problem is, it’s not better than we’ve had. It’s worse. Both governments have slotted policy advisors in - I don’t have an issue with that. When anyone takes a new leadership role they look to build a team. But this is very different. And directly linked to gain to SKS. And from a government that said it would be different….

Making progress to do what? End trafficking?

If you can’t see it’s at best not corrupt at all and at worst a shit ton better than the last lot, I’m not sure there’s anything more to say.

On the asylum backlog and removals. I expect people smuggling might take more than 6 weeks.

I expect 'people smuggling' will take more than the UK can throw at it. It will cost though.

He is a Labour Peer as well as a donor

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On Labour donor Lord Alli getting a No10 pass, party sources say he did have one, but it was always meant to be temporary and it was removed “weeks ago”

Not sure what the story here really is but yeah Labour is better off not following the precedent set by the Tories

There we go then. A peer, so not a random donor, someone who already has access to a lot of the estate at Westminster, plus a temporary pass, nit a permanent one.
There doesn’t seem to be a story, but it isn’t stopping some posters saying it’s ‘worse’ than the Tories.