Labour Corruption?

[Zebedee999]

Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

Could you name a safe route available to someone currently in Europe?

I think I'll manage without your explanation thanks, as I seem to have managed so far😂

A negotiatoin where the other side gets everything they want and you don't get anything is not, however you frame it, a good negotation. It's exactly the same approach that the Tory's took. They got what they wanted - kick the can down the road, and give the unions nothing. Now, the unions have what they want, and the government has got nothing. Two sides of the same coin. Both approaches are short sighted

I am surprised that the now government, given that it was obvious they were going to win, hadn't been in talks with the unions before the election and put together a deal that, if only presentationally, made them look good and actually gave the country some benefits. After all, they did promise to govern responsibly They seem to have been politically very naive.

Sure we accept about 60k on average per year via safe and legal routes, if you google

So how many do you need to increase that by for trafficking to stop?

Oh, sorry! My mistake - its late :)

Safe routes removes the need to use smugglers’ boats.

At the moment there is no way for someone to claim asylum in the UK unless they are physically in the country

(edited spelling)

Ok so how many via safe routes to stop traffickers?

Now, the unions have what they want, and the government has got nothing.

That’s not true. The rail settlement has cost less than the strikes. The junior doctors have got 2/3 of what they asked for and the rest of the public sector has got what the pay review bodies recommended. The government now doesn’t have to deal with strikes and public services benefit. That doesn’t look like nothing from where I’m sitting.

You always ask this question

Do you want the small boat crossings to continue?

And you always avoid answering it, why? seems the emoji is the done thing

Can't you see your system doesn't resolve the issue?

I thought Starmer not doing safe routes would finally stop people thinking they are a viable option on these threads

How many of those are accepted from those already in Europe?

I think most people in favour of safe routes see Labour's reluctance to adopt it as a policy as an unfortunate result of the way in which large swathes of the country have been successfully persuaded over the last 20 years or so that immigration is to blame for all the country's problems. Labour is seen as avoiding tackling that belief head on to ensure they got elected. It's a shame to say the least, but getting a Labour government in place was essential so I can see why it happened. I don't think many people would see Starmer not promoting the policy of safe routes as proof that safe routes wouldn't work. Of course they would work in bringing down small boat crossings.

Go on then! Do a long post about Tory corruption and list how awful it was! I dare you!

Because I am not going to put a cap on asylum seeker and refugee numbers, hth

And I do not scapegoat them either

Ok so with your system the UK takes whatever the demand is and no limit?

Is that quite a high number in your view?

Can you say roughly were you see it being

Well, that rather depends on the time frame doesn't it... The impact to the NHS of the doctors pay dispute is guesstimated at around £1billion in 12 months, or £1.7 billion sic April last year The pay settlement for the doctors is costing around £500m, of which £350m or so relates to the current year. But, that £350 million is now for every year going forwards as well...and will itself increase over time.

So even over the term of this goverment it is going to cost a lot more to settle than than the cost of the strike, not of course that the biggest impact of the strike is financial. Obviously this needed to be resolved...but this approach doesn't seem like the smartest move as they have said they'll be on strike again in 12 months!

According to the latest figures, 97,000 people sought refuge in the UK to June.

38,784 came via irregular means

I don't think that is a lot.

What is your limit?

I wish the point is that we don't have enough people in some sectors now because of the change to visas.

So if people are here claiming asylum and are given a visa to stay that may help.

Immigration can be helpful. Personally if we are lowering the amount of immigrants we grant visas to and we can't stop asylum seekers who have a right by international law to claim asylum - then we may have a workforce to plug those gaps.

But the realism is that available jobs being left available doesn't work economically either. People could be paying taxes on these earnings.

That's numbers we already have with the process in place as it is

If you process whoever wishes to apply via a safe route do you think that will go up and with no limit where what would number be?

I'll answer after you as I really do want to hear how this system works in your view

And my union didn't get what it asked for!

We are still negotiating.

We didn't get what was asked for previously either and not enough people balloted to strike to the lower below inflation rise was accepted.

People seriously seem to think unions get what they want for their employees and public sector workers get what they want by asking or striking.

I'm currently £5k a year below in line with inflation rises since 2010.

And yet I still do my job!

Never mind then.

Maybe we can go back to thread and talk about corruption?

Never mind what?

Have you realised it's not viable and rethought unlimited safe routes. That's great. It's ok to say it won't work

The corruption that doesn't exist? 😉

That's probably why it's been diverted. Not much of a thread when based on lies is it?!

Hope you get a result soon @itsgettingweird. Are you covered by a pay review body?

No

Not at all I just get loads of quotes when this topic is raised

But I'm hoping the pp inability to answer really will think about why and rethink