Labour Corruption?

[Zebedee999]

Labour took donations from the unions pre-election and are now giving pay rises to those same union's members with limited or no negotiations. Is this corruption?

YABU = Not corruption
YANBU = Corruption of sorts

Tell Australia they're getting it wrong then, they seem to be doing ok internationally and no intention to change despite mn posters warning them as you have

As for the topic you are contributing to keeping it going

I doubt they don't know they're breaking international law. You're the one advocating for it.

Not so much corruption but incompetence.

Labour take away WFA days before they knew the Energy Price Cap would go up and it has, by 10%.

All to save £800m, this is like Browns scrapping of his own 10p tax rate, something the Tories will never let go of.

Rightly so too, this cut isn't going to affect the very poorest not the wealthy but it will, once again, hit the so called "just about managing"

Labour need to be reform Ofgem first before they come out with idiotic ideas like this.

The fact that someone is getting away with something illegal doesn't make it less illegal.

Yes I've said I prefer the Aus system, living there for some time pretty much everyone does. Although I haven't talked about push backs much despite your claims, twice

I'm fully aware that care isn't a job just anyone can do.

I'm also aware than many asylum seekers are actually highly trained individuals with skills.

I'm also aware that we have less people doing care than we need.

No one suggest given the, asylum and sticking them in a care job the following day.

But there are jobs for people out there that need filling and it's one solution that's can be managed in an appropriate way.

But it'll never be a solution people accept if they just want asylum seekers - which they wrongly call illegal immigrants - to stop fleeing war and persecution and coming over.

One of the solutions would be offshore processing and bringing people into our country safely. We can then vet them for these jobs beforehand.

But this isn't an either or solution.

But still better that the Tories who had no rules at all.

They have a push back policy. You said that you agree with their policies. I'm not sure why indefinite detention is acceptable but push backs aren't. I just assumed you weren't bothered about international law.

Yes you've said this a few times now it's almost amusing. I'm aware there are mn posters who think Aus have it wrong, even though the citizens are happy with it and even under Labor it remains.

My main points are that Labour's approach here will be costly and numbers will go up, and I get the impression many people don't want either.

So I guess we'll see how 'smash the gangs' goes trying to remove international trafficking networks

I don't find flagrant breaches of international law amusing but there's no accounting for humour. Are the breaches of international law in Gaza causing mirth too?

Just your posts.

Can you write a postcard to the citizens of Aus to let them know? I am just one of many and it's not doing much.

Being highly skilled doesn't make one suitable for Care Work and if someone really is skilled, they wont be happy working in a food processing factory.

Also, giving failed asylum seekers work, is yet another "Pull Factor"

We already give work permits to 100s of '000s of people from across the globe, whilst we have almost 10m people of working age not working.

An genuine asylum seeker in the EU has already successfully fled war and persecution.
We had economic migrants from Albania recently and now from Vietnam and Turkey, none of these countries are at war.

We've almost 3m people on long term sick, many unable to access healthcare, we ve housing targets of almost 400,000 each year, i don't know about you but i see crumbling roads, buildings, traffic congestion, failing public services, falling educational attainment, importing around 700k (net) each year is madness.

Its something that Labour are going to have to address or come the next GE, the extremes, like Reform or an even more far right Tory party are going to get into power.

I'm glad I amuse you. What fun! As stated - they already know they're in breach of the law. For some, basic human rights are subjective.

Well not that much as to call it fun ;

Yes the whole country awaits your disapproval, let them know.

Meanwhile the UK has its own issues, some of which will be exacerbated by the inability to put policy in place when not everyone wants higher numbers crossing the channel, as I assume you do?

Can people please stop quoting the figure of 9m working age people not working as if every one of those people is available and able to work? The figure includes students, carers, people who are ill or disabled and those who have chosen early retirement. Simplistically spouting the headline number is misleading.

I'll quote whatever figure i like thankyou, unless MNHQ instructs otherwise.

We are all well aware of the break down of the numbers, which is why i also mentioned almost 3m on long term sick, i have given a break down of this 9m in previous posts too.

The numbers of the economic inactive in the UK has increased since Covid, thats unique among European countries, who have seen numbers drop, so it would appear thats down to domestic policies?

Meanwhile "legal" migration has sky rocketed, my point is that migration into the UK on this scale is simply unsustainable & Labour now have the challenge of reducing it, upskilling the workforce and providing incentives to get people who can and want too, back into the workforce.

Its a huge challenge for them.

For the third (or is it fourth) time, Australia already know they're in breach of international law.

I'm really not that bothered about the small boats. It's a tiny percentage of immigrants and if the UK had better foreign policies, then people might stay in their own countries. Perhaps we should process their claims quicker and allow them to claim asylum in other countries.

Such a strange assumption that being in favour of a functioning asylum system would mean you'd want to see more crossings.

You cannot meet demand via safe routes if that's what you're after.

Even Starmer hasn't proposed dealing with trafficking in that way.

His plan is to 'smash the gangs', it'll be interesting to see how people feel if that doesn't work out

Ffs tory hq are determined to slag off Labour on social media atm

Go on bugger off, go lick your wounds in the corner. Its democracy, people have voted, you don't like the outcome but its done now.

If you were actually decent you'd be sensibly trying to think about where you went wrong and what you might need to do differently to succeed next time.

Also, giving failed asylum seekers work, is yet another "Pull Factor"
@iwishihadknownmore who is advocating giving work to failed asylum seekers? They would be deported, that’s the point of the process.

You want an Australia style plan, I want alternative means to access our asylum system

Labour offers neither

We can stop scapegoating asylum seekers though.

I don't mind a deterrent then another way for people to enter the country

It's not about denying all it's about policy to deal with the rising trafficking and associated disorder

How does your system stop trafficking?

You are seriously asking how safe routes stop trafficking?
If there’s a way to apply for asylum without giving your last money to criminals and risking death, don’t you think you would take it?

Well you are seriously writing your post, so yes.

You do know we have safe routes now? And trafficking

How many countries and people from those countries would you need to accept to stop the outcome being safe routes plus trafficking?

And if it's seriously the solution which is easy to see by some, why would Starmer not do it?

I think people are missing the information on this