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Random stranger sat on my table at a dinner and tribute act show

311 replies

Prontehpronto · 18/08/2024 00:09

Hi, I went to a dinner and ABBA tribute act tonight on my own (family out of town and no one else to go with). I was having a lovely time, a stranger asked if he could take the extra chair,I said yes cos I thought he was going to pick it up and take it, he proceeded to sit down! He asked why I was on my own,I said hubby was away and I thought I'd enjoy a show, he started telling me about his divorce etc, he was older, 62, seemed not weird and just overly friendly father like figure, but when the shoe carried on he didn't move!!! I said aren't your friends going to miss you, he was like its fine!! I ignored him and turned away, I'm pissed cos he didn't go away and plus I had paid extra for VIP tickets at a table at the front. His friend cane to give him a drink, I thought bloody hell no way,told him not to put the drink down on my table and can you go back with your friends. Bloody ruined my night abit, why did he do that, and how should I have handled it. He prob was harmless but he shouldn't have approached a lone female I don't think and then not gone away!!!

OP posts:
LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 18/08/2024 18:06

shuggles why are you blethering on this thread, bleating on and on about something you know nothing about?

As PP have said, you aren't listening and you don't know what you're talking about. It's rude in the extreme. Start a thread yourself so that posters can join you in your random views or ignore it altogether.

You're derailing this one. Could you stop please?

5128gap · 18/08/2024 18:06

BeachParty · 18/08/2024 18:05

Has shuggles said they're a man?
Or is this one of those ridiculous "anyone who disagrees with me is a man?' posts?
People have different opinions.
Get over it.

He's said he's a man on other threads.

BeachParty · 18/08/2024 18:08

Livingtothefull · 18/08/2024 18:06

No I am neither @BeachParty but personally speaking, if an OP had asked me to leave her thread which she had posted to seek support because she found my posts unhelpful, I would respect that whether or not I agreed.

You can't just demand who can and can't post on your thread though, that's ridiculous.
I'm in agreement with the OP on the original topic matter, I prefer be left in peace when out and not talked at, but not on the thread policing.

BeachParty · 18/08/2024 18:09

5128gap · 18/08/2024 18:06

He's said he's a man on other threads.

Ah ok, still entitled to an opinion on here though.
It's a discussion forum.
Not an echo chamber.

Livingtothefull · 18/08/2024 18:10

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 18/08/2024 18:05

Anyway I note that the OP has said she does not want you on her thread and you have still posted again. Another example of crossing boundaries.

Whilst I don't think the OP was unreasonable about what happened, trying to dictate who can post is unreasonable.

How can I dictate anything? That's ridiculous, I am just pointing out that particular poster was rude.

HolidayAtNight · 18/08/2024 18:11

a) a man who
b) has never been in a relationship and
c) is telling women they're wrong about their own experiences

Not all opinions are worthwhile.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 18/08/2024 18:13

BeachParty · 18/08/2024 18:08

You can't just demand who can and can't post on your thread though, that's ridiculous.
I'm in agreement with the OP on the original topic matter, I prefer be left in peace when out and not talked at, but not on the thread policing.

Agreed. And posters often try this when by other posters being "unhelpful" they mean "failing to valudate my insanely unreasonable position"

The OP's original point wasn't unreasonable- policing the thread is.

BeachParty · 18/08/2024 18:13

Can't we just have a discussion without the ridiculous "wah, man!" or personal attacks on posters just because we don't like what they're saying?!
It's so boring and predictable.
Far rather listen to the actual discussion than wannabe thread policers and whingers derailing when they hear something they don't like. 🙄

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 18/08/2024 18:15

Livingtothefull · 18/08/2024 18:10

How can I dictate anything? That's ridiculous, I am just pointing out that particular poster was rude.

Fine - have it your own way. You're still trying to police the thread.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 18/08/2024 18:16

But we can just ignore the vacuous.

ShuvieTupya · 18/08/2024 18:17

Basically if you go to a public event then the public may talk to you! It's not an offence. Now in this case maybe the old fella was lonely and I get thats not the OPs problem but unfortunately the choice of event left her like a sitting duck like on a bus. Nowhere to escape. Cinema would have been a more solitary option. Or she could have just told the fella to FRO from the outset. I can see why she'd be pissed off but it sounded like a Phoenix Nights cabaret club which attracts all kinds!

BeachParty · 18/08/2024 18:18

shuggles · 18/08/2024 13:32

@Zow Women going out looking/hoping for a connection with a man (and wanting to meet someone/be in a relationship,) is NOT THE SAME as men hitting on lone women and forcing their attention on conversation on them.

So we have:

a. A woman in public who is hoping for a connection with a man, a desire to meet people, and a desire to be in the relationship.
b. A single man in public.

How do a. and b. talk to each other without the man "hitting on lone women and forcing their attention on conversation on them"?

There's nothing wrong with starting a conversation with someone, as you say you've got to initially meet first and start somewhere!
Think the best way is to learn to read the cues - if someone says "won't your mates miss you?"
don't be like "no, it's fine" as probably usually means "can't you piss off back over there?!" 😁
Especially when it's coupled with turning their back on the person doing their chatting, they're clearly not wanting conversation.

GrumpyPanda · 18/08/2024 18:19

Warmfeet · 18/08/2024 00:49

its quite an odd thing to go to on your own though, so probably thought you'd been stood up and felt sorry for you.

Wtf why would it be? Has it ever occurred to you women may be single or widowed and still want to have a life?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 18/08/2024 18:20

Shuvie, it takes a very base level of (male) entitlement to plonk yourself where a woman is and expect her to entertain you. It's not a woman's job to do that. Ever.

Not all men are dunderheads and many can read signs very well indeed - even those that choose to override them and plough on regardless.

To suggest that women need to be armed and ready with a firm, verbal 'go away' instruction is awful really. Why the hell can we not just be left alone as a default?

BeachParty · 18/08/2024 18:21

GrumpyPanda · 18/08/2024 18:19

Wtf why would it be? Has it ever occurred to you women may be single or widowed and still want to have a life?

Or in my case happily married with two teenage kids but still love going out to places by myself to shows, pubs, cinema, theatre, etc as I like my own space sometimes as well 😁

largeeyes · 18/08/2024 18:50

Now in this case maybe the old fella was lonely and I get thats not the OPs problem

He wasnt "lonely" though- he was literally with a group of his friends and deliberately left them to start wanging on to the OP about his divorce. I agree with PP, I dont know why older men always seem to think young women give a shit about them blathering on about their personal circumstances.. We dont care about some random older man's fcking divorce details. Why would we?

ShuvieTupya · 18/08/2024 19:15

largeeyes · 18/08/2024 18:50

Now in this case maybe the old fella was lonely and I get thats not the OPs problem

He wasnt "lonely" though- he was literally with a group of his friends and deliberately left them to start wanging on to the OP about his divorce. I agree with PP, I dont know why older men always seem to think young women give a shit about them blathering on about their personal circumstances.. We dont care about some random older man's fcking divorce details. Why would we?

Lonely in the romantic sense, not the friendly sense. He probably did want to shoot his shot, the dirty old bugger.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 18/08/2024 19:18

With respect it's not women's problem if a poor man doesn't know which women it's ok to strike up random conversation with. Maybe they could look to join a club where they could meet ladies they have interests in common with? Then things would probably happen organically

largeeyes · 18/08/2024 19:20

ShuvieTupya · 18/08/2024 19:15

Lonely in the romantic sense, not the friendly sense. He probably did want to shoot his shot, the dirty old bugger.

Ah yes, true.

I cant imagine why he hung around after finding out she was married, he must have thought she was up for an affair. So bizarre and entitled

OrwellianTimes · 18/08/2024 19:23

Dufrise · 18/08/2024 00:23

Some pretty sociopathic comments on here. He might have outstayed his welcome but a human talking to another human, seemingly politely, in a public bar/event doesn't deserve all the hate.

He was quite clearly hoping to pull.

OrwellianTimes · 18/08/2024 19:25

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 18/08/2024 19:18

With respect it's not women's problem if a poor man doesn't know which women it's ok to strike up random conversation with. Maybe they could look to join a club where they could meet ladies they have interests in common with? Then things would probably happen organically

The line “my husband…” is the clue here

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 18/08/2024 19:59

OrwellianTimes · 18/08/2024 19:25

The line “my husband…” is the clue here

Er no. Single, divorced and widowed women have just as much right to be annoyed by behaviour like this.

Bodeganights · 18/08/2024 20:00

shuggles · 18/08/2024 15:07

@Livingtothefull Rather, this would likely be indicative of the kind of society where women would be confident that they could initiate, continue and end an interaction whenever and however they chose and that their choices would always be respected. Because a fundamental respect for women would be taken for granted.

Well keep dreaming, because you can't build that society unless you take the initiative.

So long as women don't approach men, men will choose to do it instead.

A man approaching a lone woman at a table as a 'sitting target' is so rarely going to be a good idea and I would expect any man I would be interested in talking to to be sensitive enough to understand that.

I don't think approaching a table of 4-5 women is a good idea either.

So let's go back to my original question. You have a woman in public who is willing to meet and talk to men, but is unwilling to initiate any such dialogue. You have a man in public who is willing to meet and talk to women.

How do the above two people meet without the man first initiating conversation with the woman?

Christ alive, do it the old fashioned way
Via friends, in the pub, in a hobby group, at work. Why would anyone want to meet a random fucking man with absolutely no background?

Or if you must do it in a more modern way try dating apps. At least then you know the woman is open to meeting a man.

Does this really need explanation.

OrwellianTimes · 18/08/2024 20:01

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 18/08/2024 19:59

Er no. Single, divorced and widowed women have just as much right to be annoyed by behaviour like this.

I don’t disagree. I just think a bloke who pushes for past knowing that a woman is married is absolute scum.

Firefly1987 · 18/08/2024 20:42

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 18/08/2024 07:31

What a limited existence some of you have that you can't imagine doing things on your own or that you have to have company and that women should be grateful if random men take pity on them.

I've done loads of things on my own. Usually I don't bother talking to anyone because I'm naturally an introvert and loner anyway. The fact I never have to see them again is the only appeal. It's just if you're travelling to a concert you haven't been to, and you spot a group of women who clearly are going to the same concert-it's not a bad idea to try and strike up a conversation. Safer for me as well as a lone woman wandering London or somewhere. Last time I did it I could tell the women weren't exactly pleased to have me tagging along (just the short walk to the venue) so I held back and didn't bother walking with them anymore. My natural position is to think "I'm bothering people" though, so I'm hyper aware. But a lot of men clearly don't have that problem! I honestly won't be putting myself out there again though thanks to this thread.

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