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To feel so upset about the government censorship?

750 replies

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:12

This has just appeared in my news feed and I feel so upset and disillusioned. I was a labour voter, thinking we voted the bad guys out but I'm now really scared about what we've let in...what on earth have we done...? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/17/education-secretary-bridget-phillipson-private-school-tax-r/

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inthetrenches1 · 17/08/2024 23:10

Are you seriously quoting the Torygraph? The most anti-Labour paper of them all?

The dirge they put in there is solely designed to make you rail against the Labour party. And it seems some of you have been hoodwinked. Please understand: The Telegraph is a Conservative newspaper.

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 23:10

SelMarin · 17/08/2024 23:07

Hi OP

You keep missing my question about why it's okay that Tory MPs have been doing this for years, but once a Labour MP does it you're terrified, can you please explain?

I haven't seen this kind of an open censorship from a senior cabinet minister before. Lies, misbehaving yes. Cold open censorship on this scale - no

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urbanbuddha · 17/08/2024 23:11

WolabiMe · 17/08/2024 23:05

I’m gonna ask Mumsnet if we can have a separate topic re VAT on private schools. It’s tedious and doesn’t affect 96% of the population

I agree.
@Mumsnet ?

Honourthyname7 · 17/08/2024 23:12

55andlovinglife · 17/08/2024 20:27

Keir Starmer is just a younger version of Jeremy Corbin. He’s extremely dangerous. He has a clear ideology he wants to impose on us, as he knows better.

Honestly, we are 6 weeks in and I wish the Tories would come back, warts n all.

NO WE DONT!!

Marseillaise · 17/08/2024 23:12

How can it be removing rights to free speech when here we all are commenting freely? And we're free to broadcast our views on this all over the place. Facebook is a facility which allows people to delete posts, if you comment on FB you are consenting to that and you know you are taking that risk. Get over it.

urbanbuddha · 17/08/2024 23:13

open censorship on this scale - no

Deleting comments on one Minister’s Facebook page? You’re hysterical.

Marseillaise · 17/08/2024 23:13

NAndJIsLockingDown · 17/08/2024 20:19

The only saving grace is that they're almost certain to be a one-term government.

In fact I doubt they'll even last that long - I can see Sir Starmer being forced into a snap election in a couple of years time.

If you don't know naming conventions for Knights, I'm seriously doubting whether you have a vote in this country anyway.

Dibblydoodahdah · 17/08/2024 23:14

ChallahPlaiter · 17/08/2024 23:04

Oh do see above so I don’t have to explain for the eleventh time.

So you took offence to the screenshot comment. Well, that was done after parents realised that their comments were being routinely deleted by Bridget Phillipson or her team, so it was a perfectly reasonable comment for people to make.

Marseillaise · 17/08/2024 23:16

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:20

It is not a common practice in a democratic world

How can you say that when it's common practice on FB all over the democratic world?

I really don't think some people understand the concept of free speech. We all have the right to free speech, we don't have the right to free speech on any and every available platform. I'm sure if you want to go and have a moan on, say, the Mail's website you will be given every opportunity. And the government will not lift a finger to stop you.

kirbykirby · 17/08/2024 23:17

So what happens if more ex-private school pupils require school places than exist in state schools, yet the law says every child must be allocated a place? Will the Government have to fund emergency places for all these extra pupils (massively increasing class sizes) and what happens if schools are already at maximum capacity?

Each new state school pupil is an extra cost to the system - where is the Government going to get the money to fund all these increased state school places?

Marseillaise · 17/08/2024 23:17

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:23

I didn't vote for Elon Musk. I voted for people I thought were honest and had integrity. This is what they told us. They said they were different, better. This is not right.

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No, you didn't vote Labour. It's very transparent.

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 23:20

Marseillaise · 17/08/2024 23:17

No, you didn't vote Labour. It's very transparent.

No, voting for a party doesn't mean being blind and losing any capacity to see, think and changing your mind. It's not a cult

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Marseillaise · 17/08/2024 23:21

55andlovinglife · 17/08/2024 20:27

Keir Starmer is just a younger version of Jeremy Corbin. He’s extremely dangerous. He has a clear ideology he wants to impose on us, as he knows better.

Honestly, we are 6 weeks in and I wish the Tories would come back, warts n all.

You want to go back to the people who trashed the economy, wasted billions on things like the absolute bollocks that was the Rwanda policy, syphoned lots of lucrative government contracts to their friends, and want to take away your human rights?

I suggest you emigrate, you'll probably find some hopelessly corrupt right-wing basket-case government that will suit you nicely.

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 23:23

ChallahPlaiter · 17/08/2024 23:10

Ah have a lovely evening, hope it’s good in your part of the world. Night!

@Dibblydoodahdah I think she was referring to the mum of SEN kids but then, when challenged, realized that justifying calling her a "prat" would make her look awful... So she went to bed..better this way

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VaccineSticker · 17/08/2024 23:23

WolabiMe · 17/08/2024 23:05

I’m gonna ask Mumsnet if we can have a separate topic re VAT on private schools. It’s tedious and doesn’t affect 96% of the population

But it is not just the families who use private schools will be affected, it’s the whole ecosystem that the private school help prop in their local area and and the people that they employ that will feel the brunt of it.

Honourthyname7 · 17/08/2024 23:23

@Marseillaise

👋

OppsUpsSide · 17/08/2024 23:24

I didn’t vote for Labour, never have. I am at heart a capitalist. But I don’t believe the poll on here, Mumsnet is too leftist for this to be a true reflection.
although, having said that I did say to DM I wondered if Labour had lost some of it’s traditional voters from the stance they took over the riots this summer. Maybe they have. It would make sense.

Marseillaise · 17/08/2024 23:24

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:37

Apparently none of them were offensive or inappropriate. They were just challenging policies

"Apparently" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. According to whom? If it's the Telegraph, I would take that with an enormous pinch of salt.

urbanbuddha · 17/08/2024 23:26

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urbanbuddha · 17/08/2024 23:28

VaccineSticker · 17/08/2024 23:23

But it is not just the families who use private schools will be affected, it’s the whole ecosystem that the private school help prop in their local area and and the people that they employ that will feel the brunt of it.

Sorry, the quote got lost on my last post.

It’s really not. The vast majority of private school parents will suck it up just fine.

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 23:28

Marseillaise · 17/08/2024 23:16

How can you say that when it's common practice on FB all over the democratic world?

I really don't think some people understand the concept of free speech. We all have the right to free speech, we don't have the right to free speech on any and every available platform. I'm sure if you want to go and have a moan on, say, the Mail's website you will be given every opportunity. And the government will not lift a finger to stop you.

Have you read the article? I know it's behind the paywall. One of the final paragraphs says:

"Many parents also pointed to the Labour Party’s social media policy, which states that: “We want debate and discussion to flourish on our channels and will encourage feedback wherever appropriate.”

I wonder how many people here, who claim they would not touch the paper with the stick, have read this article, considering it's behind the paywall... Or do people just push back and argue without having read it all?

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izimbra · 17/08/2024 23:30

NAndJIsLockingDown · 17/08/2024 20:16

Yep - they're curtailing free speech and denouncing those who didn't vote for them as "far-right thugs".

That's a lie.

urbanbuddha · 17/08/2024 23:32

They were far-right thugs. 70% of them had previous convictions. They responded to the dog whistles on social media.

izimbra · 17/08/2024 23:33

"But it is not just the families who use private schools will be affected, it’s the whole ecosystem that the private school help prop in their local area and and the people that they employ that will feel the brunt of it"

Is this a joke?

SelMarin · 17/08/2024 23:35

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 23:10

I haven't seen this kind of an open censorship from a senior cabinet minister before. Lies, misbehaving yes. Cold open censorship on this scale - no

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Nadine Dorries seemed to spend half of her tenure deleting critical replies and blocking users on Twitter.