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To feel so upset about the government censorship?

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Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:12

This has just appeared in my news feed and I feel so upset and disillusioned. I was a labour voter, thinking we voted the bad guys out but I'm now really scared about what we've let in...what on earth have we done...? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/17/education-secretary-bridget-phillipson-private-school-tax-r/

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Marseillaise · 19/08/2024 16:43

Efacsen · 19/08/2024 10:38

English Civil War? tho' that's getting to be quite a while ago

And the upper class protestors then certainly received pretty severe sentences. Well, it doesn't get much more upper class or severe than beheading a king.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 19/08/2024 16:44

Frankly, I wouldn't believe a word the Telegraph said about a Labour politician in any connection.

Andante57 · 19/08/2024 16:45

MadeleineMummy · Today 10:05
I think the upper class and the landed gentry have got much shorter sentences for rioting

Can you name any of these ‘upper class and landed gentry’ who were involved in the recent riots?

jellycatandkittens · 19/08/2024 17:54

Andante57 · 19/08/2024 16:45

MadeleineMummy · Today 10:05
I think the upper class and the landed gentry have got much shorter sentences for rioting

Can you name any of these ‘upper class and landed gentry’ who were involved in the recent riots?

She's joking...

jellycatandkittens · 19/08/2024 17:54

Andante57 · 19/08/2024 16:45

MadeleineMummy · Today 10:05
I think the upper class and the landed gentry have got much shorter sentences for rioting

Can you name any of these ‘upper class and landed gentry’ who were involved in the recent riots?

See below

AInightingale · 19/08/2024 22:29

Keir Starmer was in Belfast today.

I believe he was meant to have visited a women's centre in a working class area, but it was pulled at the last minute. He spent a couple of hours at Stormont and police HQ, met a couple of Muslim community leaders, and said the protestors were all racists (this seems to have caused some upset judging by the kickback on social media tonight).

Even by NI standards (security is usually pretty tight), I found this visit to be very oddly conducted. I remember Tony Blair and Mo Mowlam meeting people in the street and in a shopping centre, and even Thatcher walked about in Belfast's main city streets meeting people at the height of the Troubles. (All of them did get a fair bit of heckling when they did it.) I wonder if this is going to be characteristic of his premiership, or if he is actually afraid of the reactions of ordinary people?

DuncinToffee · 19/08/2024 22:41

AInightingale · 19/08/2024 22:29

Keir Starmer was in Belfast today.

I believe he was meant to have visited a women's centre in a working class area, but it was pulled at the last minute. He spent a couple of hours at Stormont and police HQ, met a couple of Muslim community leaders, and said the protestors were all racists (this seems to have caused some upset judging by the kickback on social media tonight).

Even by NI standards (security is usually pretty tight), I found this visit to be very oddly conducted. I remember Tony Blair and Mo Mowlam meeting people in the street and in a shopping centre, and even Thatcher walked about in Belfast's main city streets meeting people at the height of the Troubles. (All of them did get a fair bit of heckling when they did it.) I wonder if this is going to be characteristic of his premiership, or if he is actually afraid of the reactions of ordinary people?

He said the rioting was racist

"The disorder is intolerable. It is incapable of justification. It's clearly racist"

"And it does not represent the modern forward looking Northern Ireland that I know that this place is"

Do you disagree?

AInightingale · 19/08/2024 23:07

The attacks on businesses and homes (and hotels, which we saw in England) are 100% racist attacks, that's for sure. And violent disorder can never be justified. But these are poor communities and there is real fear and resentment in them about the increasing scarcity of housing and other resources. Why won't he touch on that, in any of his speeches or responses?

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/08/2024 23:32

There was nothing unusual about the visit.Confused

DuncinToffee · 19/08/2024 23:47

This was a visit to the NI Police to discuss the recent riots, not a pre planned visit to discuss other issues.

Starmer was supposed to be on his holiday if wasn't for the ruots.

bergamotorange · 19/08/2024 23:49

AInightingale · 19/08/2024 22:29

Keir Starmer was in Belfast today.

I believe he was meant to have visited a women's centre in a working class area, but it was pulled at the last minute. He spent a couple of hours at Stormont and police HQ, met a couple of Muslim community leaders, and said the protestors were all racists (this seems to have caused some upset judging by the kickback on social media tonight).

Even by NI standards (security is usually pretty tight), I found this visit to be very oddly conducted. I remember Tony Blair and Mo Mowlam meeting people in the street and in a shopping centre, and even Thatcher walked about in Belfast's main city streets meeting people at the height of the Troubles. (All of them did get a fair bit of heckling when they did it.) I wonder if this is going to be characteristic of his premiership, or if he is actually afraid of the reactions of ordinary people?

He'll be following the advice of the security services.

It's a pretty heated time. I don't think it would help if Starmer created more work for the police just now. Hopefully things will calm down soon enough.

Zonder · 20/08/2024 07:31

said the protestors were all racists

Did he use those exact words?

Mind you I'd say it's not easy to argue against that.

cooliebrown · 20/08/2024 07:47

NAndJIsLockingDown · 17/08/2024 20:16

Yep - they're curtailing free speech and denouncing those who didn't vote for them as "far-right thugs".

It's the people rioting, burning libraries and looting shops in a cocaine and alcohol-fuelled frenzy that are being denounced as 'far-right thugs' though.

But you knew that.

itsgettingweird · 20/08/2024 07:58

It's quite amusing how much people are getting irate about Starmer calling far right thugs - far right thugs 😂

Yet they seemed to have nonissue with calling lawyers upholding human rights - lefty lawyers.

Or are we only allowed to call people in one direction?!

Moreofthesamenothanks · 20/08/2024 08:00

DinnaeFashYersel · 17/08/2024 20:18

I don't believe a single one of you voted Labour.

This.

MadeleineMummy · 20/08/2024 08:23

A person just has to adhere to a political philosophy that exalts nation and race above the individual and that stands for a centralised autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition and Starmer calls them fascists.

Whatever next? He’ll be calling small domesticated carnivorous mammal with soft fur, a short snout, and retractable claws of the felis catus genus, Cats. It is the fall our of the month.

pointythings · 20/08/2024 08:34

@MadeleineMummy my five members of the felis catus family agree with you and insist they be addressed by their titles. Ginger Fiend, Fatsauce, Squeaker, Scrungles and The Ladyship thank you. (They have proper names too, but those are clearly irrelevant).

CurlewKate · 20/08/2024 08:45

@MadeleineMummy I agree. And he's putting violent thugs in prison. Bloody lefty.

itsgettingweird · 20/08/2024 08:55

I'm waiting for the fall out about the fact he held a government meeting about mpox during recess.

I'm sure we're due a "I'm not wearing a mask or locking down ever again" thread?!

And of course a strategic meeting about preparation equates to exactly that.

Totally ignoring of course Johnson didn't attend half the initial cobra meetings re covid. Ignored advice and ended up in ICU 🤦‍♀️

Zonder · 20/08/2024 09:08

Totally ignoring of course Johnson didn't attend half the initial cobra meetings re covid. Ignored advice and ended up in ICU

Ah the halcyon days of Johnson.

Maddy70 · 20/08/2024 09:27

All politicians remove comments that dont agree with their poĺicies on SM. Mine are always being deleted from farage tice tories etc.

Its their page to promote.

HannibalHeyes · 20/08/2024 11:26

itsgettingweird · 20/08/2024 08:55

I'm waiting for the fall out about the fact he held a government meeting about mpox during recess.

I'm sure we're due a "I'm not wearing a mask or locking down ever again" thread?!

And of course a strategic meeting about preparation equates to exactly that.

Totally ignoring of course Johnson didn't attend half the initial cobra meetings re covid. Ignored advice and ended up in ICU 🤦‍♀️

They must be so annoyed he hasn't yet said something inspiring like "let the bodies pile high"...

itsgettingweird · 20/08/2024 12:23

Yeah - the slacker 🙄😂

Marseillaise · 21/08/2024 08:43

I'm sure we're due a "I'm not wearing a mask or locking down ever again" thread?!

Oh, we've had that already. At least one, quite possibly more.

MadeleineMummy · 25/08/2024 11:11

Dufrise · 17/08/2024 20:41

Tories said nothing of the sort.

Yes, I remember when Boris Johnson and Gove were quoted in the Telegraph stating that people would be mad to vote to place barriers to trade and a free interchange of ideas for the nebulous notion of sovereignty that is illusionary anyway as we have the rights to do anything anyway, including having bendy bananas.

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