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To feel so upset about the government censorship?

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Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:12

This has just appeared in my news feed and I feel so upset and disillusioned. I was a labour voter, thinking we voted the bad guys out but I'm now really scared about what we've let in...what on earth have we done...? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/17/education-secretary-bridget-phillipson-private-school-tax-r/

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Dymaxion · 17/08/2024 22:32

In a few weeks, they've already managed to upset most pensioners and thousands of working-class people, who now feel effectively silenced when it comes to questioning or protesting large-scale immigration. The dispersal of up to 70,000 asylum seekers into private or council accommodation will see rents rise and waiting lists burgeon. I really am worried about the next five years; we could end up with a housing crisis on the scale of Ireland's.

So we need to build lots of lovely affordable housing as the solution ? I am all for that, as I am sure you are too ? No point in letting developers build 5 executive homes when they could build 20 affordable ones instead ? A Government with a large majority could bring in legislation that could mean that this is achievable ?

SelMarin · 17/08/2024 22:33

OP, why is it okay that mostly-Tory politicians have been doing this for years but, once a Labour MP is reported to have done it, you're trembling with fear?

Teanbiscuits33 · 17/08/2024 22:36

Dibblydoodahdah · 17/08/2024 22:23

Do you think calling people names strengthens your argument?! The OP asked me to share the screenshots so I did. I didn’t save them, I merely went on to the page where I originally saw them and reposted them here.

So if they were still on the page you originally saw them when you went back, how have they been ‘censored’ by deletion? Have the screenshots been posted to another page?

ChallahPlaiter · 17/08/2024 22:36

Dibblydoodahdah · 17/08/2024 22:30

Whatever it is, it’s rude and uncalled for.

Well if that’s the best you’ve got…

5128gap · 17/08/2024 22:37

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 22:31

@Dibblydoodahdah I agree and you should report that comment. This is what people do when they lack words

What, report it, so its removed? So, censored, you mean? The comment didn't break talk guidelines as the poster clearly said 'generic you' so suggesting it's reported can only be to censor it. I'm very very very upset that you'd suggest that OP.

Zebedee999 · 17/08/2024 22:37

Shrekmate · 17/08/2024 22:02

Man alive…

  1. This isn’t about censorship. If the government were censoring these things, how come we’re all merrily discussing it on Mumsnet?

  2. There won’t be a snap general election. Labour won a thumping majority six weeks ago. Not only was that barely any time ago, but they’ve not actually passed a single law yet. Who do you think is going to be arranging this snap election, and given that the guys who won the last one the other day haven’t had the chance to do anything good or bad yet, why do you think the result would be different?

  3. VAT on school fees needn’t cost parents a penny more. If you pay £20,000pa in fees, VAT will mean you pay £24,000. Rather than complain about the democratically elected government implementing a policy that was front and centre in their manifesto, why not get your school to cut its fees from £20,000 to £16,000pa? Add VAT to that and you’re quids in. State schools have had to absorb budget cuts, so maybe your private schools could do the same?

Labour's "thumping majority" was 34%. Yet SKS tried for years to overturn the Brexit 52% as he felt 52% wasn't substantial enough. SKS is a hypocrite. Oddly most Labour voters are anti-Brexit yet are delighted with a "thumping" 34% but decry a 52%.

Brexit was largely working class people protesting at their pay being undermined by an influx of cheaper foreign workers. Since Labour got in they are doing their best to punish the working class by doing things that disproportionately affect the working class: Letting 10,000 criminals out back into their neighbourhoods, Illegal immigrants fast tracked (aka just a rubber stamping exercise) that will put pressure on working class housing etc.... even VAT on private school fees (which I agree with in principle if introduced in a considered way which will be beyond the wit of a Labour politician driven by spite) will cause class sizes to increase even further. Oh and sentences for white working class rioters will / are exceeding those typically seen before as SKS is determined to punish them severely.

Menopausalsourpuss · 17/08/2024 22:38

Yes of course Labour will be an authoritarian nightmare, they have already talked about banning twix (like China and other similar countries). They are the sort of people Orwell wrote 1984 about (and they will be even more incompetent than the Tories). They got a massive majority on a very small vote (20% ofvoting public, 9.5m historically very low) but will make no effort to bring the country together and already dividing us further. Starmers popularity has plummeted to 6%. A disaster.

ilovesooty · 17/08/2024 22:39

Nevermind91 · 17/08/2024 21:47

I'd always suggest reading Animal Farm before voting Labour.

I taught it every year for years. Still voted Labour.

dutysuite · 17/08/2024 22:41

My local council have always hid comments on Facebook, I can see there might be 50 comments, but can only read 2 even when I click the option to read all. I always think they’re trying to hide something when they do it.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 22:41

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:22

I hope so. I feel betrayed and so scared

Scared??
That's a rather extreme state to be in. As scared as someone in a war zone? As scared as someone in a dictatorship?

MrsWolf39 · 17/08/2024 22:41

ChallahPlaiter · 17/08/2024 22:28

I mean obviously you read the article because it’s your job, blah blah, but did you actually read the article? This is about the government deciding not to go ahead with a previous proposed bit of legislation which was designed to undermine academic credibility and would have been extremely costly and difficult for universities to enact. In addition, the government has said it will continue to look at free speech within universities, and this move has been welcomed across the board including by the Russell Group.
It’s really not what you think, or affect to think it is.

I’m just quoting this in the hope that it appearing twice makes it harder for OP to ignore.

Teanbiscuits33 · 17/08/2024 22:45

Zebedee999 · 17/08/2024 22:37

Labour's "thumping majority" was 34%. Yet SKS tried for years to overturn the Brexit 52% as he felt 52% wasn't substantial enough. SKS is a hypocrite. Oddly most Labour voters are anti-Brexit yet are delighted with a "thumping" 34% but decry a 52%.

Brexit was largely working class people protesting at their pay being undermined by an influx of cheaper foreign workers. Since Labour got in they are doing their best to punish the working class by doing things that disproportionately affect the working class: Letting 10,000 criminals out back into their neighbourhoods, Illegal immigrants fast tracked (aka just a rubber stamping exercise) that will put pressure on working class housing etc.... even VAT on private school fees (which I agree with in principle if introduced in a considered way which will be beyond the wit of a Labour politician driven by spite) will cause class sizes to increase even further. Oh and sentences for white working class rioters will / are exceeding those typically seen before as SKS is determined to punish them severely.

It isn’t that 52% wasn’t enough, it’s the margin that wasn’t wide enough. It is usually stipulated that referenda need a certain percentage majority to win, and for such a huge and permanent decision that had such a huge impact on the country, there should have been a wider margin. General elections are completely different, if you don’t like a government, you get to vote them out every five years. It always amuses me that people can’t understand things like that. The two things are not comparable.

Dibblydoodahdah · 17/08/2024 22:46

ChallahPlaiter · 17/08/2024 22:36

Well if that’s the best you’ve got…

Well explain how posting something at the request of the OP, something I simply went on to another page to retrieve and share here makes anyone a prat.

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 22:47

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 22:41

Scared??
That's a rather extreme state to be in. As scared as someone in a war zone? As scared as someone in a dictatorship?

Yes, as someone is the country clearly heading for dictatorship

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Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 22:47

Dibblydoodahdah · 17/08/2024 22:46

Well explain how posting something at the request of the OP, something I simply went on to another page to retrieve and share here makes anyone a prat.

It's telling how she / he was unable to argue with the content of the posts...

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WolabiMe · 17/08/2024 22:48

Oh and sentences for white working class rioters will / are exceeding those typically seen before as SKS is determined to punish them severely

you do realised Keir Starmer doesn’t sentence people don’t you? It’s an independent court system as it always has been.

WolabiMe · 17/08/2024 22:49

Yes, as someone is the country clearly heading for dictatorship

you’ve jumped the shark here op. You voted Labour but because one minister has removed some FB comments you’re ’genuinely scared’ we’re going to be living in a dictatorship?

AInightingale · 17/08/2024 22:49

Dymaxion · 17/08/2024 22:32

In a few weeks, they've already managed to upset most pensioners and thousands of working-class people, who now feel effectively silenced when it comes to questioning or protesting large-scale immigration. The dispersal of up to 70,000 asylum seekers into private or council accommodation will see rents rise and waiting lists burgeon. I really am worried about the next five years; we could end up with a housing crisis on the scale of Ireland's.

So we need to build lots of lovely affordable housing as the solution ? I am all for that, as I am sure you are too ? No point in letting developers build 5 executive homes when they could build 20 affordable ones instead ? A Government with a large majority could bring in legislation that could mean that this is achievable ?

Where is the money coming from to build these thousands of houses? I thought most councils in GB were skint? How on earth is central govt going to fund such ambitious building programs?

bergamotorange · 17/08/2024 22:50

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 21:25

I read all media actually as I'm in the media sector. I read The Telegraph, The Guardian, The Mail, The Express, The Sun. All of them. It's my job. This is why I know this article is not about nothing and they would never be able to publish it without hard evidence

This is funny!

If you are 'in' the media sector, you'd know something like this doesn't need evidence and you'd know which papers are biased in which direction. You wouldn't be framing your own views based on a piece like this.

HebburnPokemon · 17/08/2024 22:51

Zebedee999 · 17/08/2024 22:37

Labour's "thumping majority" was 34%. Yet SKS tried for years to overturn the Brexit 52% as he felt 52% wasn't substantial enough. SKS is a hypocrite. Oddly most Labour voters are anti-Brexit yet are delighted with a "thumping" 34% but decry a 52%.

Brexit was largely working class people protesting at their pay being undermined by an influx of cheaper foreign workers. Since Labour got in they are doing their best to punish the working class by doing things that disproportionately affect the working class: Letting 10,000 criminals out back into their neighbourhoods, Illegal immigrants fast tracked (aka just a rubber stamping exercise) that will put pressure on working class housing etc.... even VAT on private school fees (which I agree with in principle if introduced in a considered way which will be beyond the wit of a Labour politician driven by spite) will cause class sizes to increase even further. Oh and sentences for white working class rioters will / are exceeding those typically seen before as SKS is determined to punish them severely.

Why does no one understand tactical voting…

Wilful ignorance?

CeruleanBelt · 17/08/2024 22:51

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 21:58

Thank you. I'm not a Tory but I am very very very upset at this... I don't want this. I want a country where we are free to question, express our objections and where democratically elected cabinet ministers have a duty to respond and engage with those who elected them. It's not about which side you are on. It's about democracy, respect and freedom. Anyone who says "this is how it is, you are stupid and should just accept it". I don't. The same way people didn't accept communism, racism or misogyny. I find it disturbing

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People are absolutely free to question and express objections. I can think of 10 better, more effective ways to do that right now off the top of my head, other than leaving bloody Facebook comments.

Deleting a Facebook comment is not removing your human rights.

LibertyPrime · 17/08/2024 22:52

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:25

But on such a scale? So openly? I've never seen it before

its always been there in one way or another google edward Bernays and what he achieved etc all that is different is the technology

CeruleanBelt · 17/08/2024 22:52

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 22:47

Yes, as someone is the country clearly heading for dictatorship

You don't actually believe that, surely.

FinalInstructionstotheAudience · 17/08/2024 22:54

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 22:47

Yes, as someone is the country clearly heading for dictatorship

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

ChallahPlaiter · 17/08/2024 22:54

Dibblydoodahdah · 17/08/2024 22:46

Well explain how posting something at the request of the OP, something I simply went on to another page to retrieve and share here makes anyone a prat.

Again, the original writer of the screenshot looks a self-important prat for the reasons I’ve already outlined. Twice.

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