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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or is this unforgivable?

215 replies

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 07:18

I’ve been married a year. Knew my husband for 3 years before we married.

Shortly after we married I found out that when we had met, he was still in a relationship. He had checked out of the relationship with the ex, but had kept her on the hook for almost 2 years while looking for something better. 6 months before we met, he had cancelled her visa (it was a partner visa linked to him) and she had been forced to move back to her home country. He told me they were broken up, but in reality they were still speaking every day and she was very much under the impression that he was looking for a job in her country. He continued this relationship for a year after we met until she got fed up and met someone else.

This came so soon after the wedding that I was knocked for 6. My husband convinced me that he had no feelings for her and was only continuing the relationship because she was mentally fragile and suicidal. It was only on the phone and it meant nothing. I agreed to try to get over it. I’m from a conservative culture and had to face a lot of opposition for marrying a white man. I was ashamed of losing face with my community. I’ve posted about this bit before. Now there’s more.

I have now found out that he had been visiting this ex in her home country and been sleeping with her, and attended weddings with her as a couple. I’ve seen messages sexting and wishing each other happy anniversaries months and months after he started dating me. This was all during covid, I wasn’t really keeping track of his movements, he told me he was attending the weddings alone.

In addition, I have also found out that a year before he met me he rekindled a relationship with a previous ex, also while still with the more recent ex. The ex ex agreed to move her work location and come to the UK. She moved in with him a few months after we met, and lived with him at least 6 months (possibly more as this was during covid, I don’t know for sure). He says he broke up with her before she arrived, but had to let her live in his spare room as she had moved for him and had nowhere else to go (not true, her job would have provided her paid accommodation). Even if it’s true they were broken up while living together, he had cheated on his more recent ex for 2 years with two different girls while stringing her along. He was also in two serious relationships when he met me, and started another relationship with me. He cheated on me for at least one year with at least one girl after we met.

Please be gentle. My head is all over the place and I don’t know what’s real and fake any more. My husband has dismissed the whole thing saying they meant nothing, it was a mistake, he chose me not them etc. etc. It doesn’t feel like nothing, it feels very very cruel and manipulative. He can be kind but is also very conflict avoidant and a people pleaser, and can be quite selfish in his decisions, as this clearly shows. Ever since I found out about the more recent ex, he seems to have checked out of our marriage, but says he wants to work on things.

We’ve been married for a year. No kids no joint assets. AIBU in thinking that this is very very wrong? Or have I lost all perspective and it was early in the relationship so I should let it go? What on earth could possibly justify what he did? What could he have been thinking?

Due to family and cultural stuff, I need to think about what I do very carefully. I’m not saying that I agree with the cultural bullshit, just that my family will make life hell for me if I leave, but I may well be in a hellish marriage, so I’m kind of between a rock and a hard place.

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Clueless2024 · 16/08/2024 19:03

I'm sorry, your husband is a dud. If you stay married you will have a lifetime of misery and unhappiness.

Leave now, lick your wounds. Your family will get over it. Find someone more compatible I.e not a lying, cheating, arsehole.

foodforclouds · 16/08/2024 19:08

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 07:41

I just think one overlapping relationship very early on is maybe an understandable mistake (although I wouldn’t do it), two or three overlapping relationships for several years just seems more sinister. He was well into his 30’s when all of this happened, not teenage stuff that people grow out of. We have very responsible jobs for god’s sake, people put their lives in our hands. I just can’t shake the paranoia that now he’s been found out, he’s checked out and will likely be lining up another one. It seems to be an MO.

I agree with all of this, including that there’s something sinister about it

Minxmumma · 16/08/2024 19:31

Oh heck! Family lectures won't last forever but the complete destruction of your mental wellbeing will if you stay with him.

If he truly cared he would have laid all his grubby little secrets on the table at the first instance and then committed to therapy to work on absolving himself and regaining your trust and respect.

Be gentle with yourself. He is playing games with your head and your heart.

I do wonder if you spoke to the various exes would you be told similar tales that they had gone through. This isn't a one off, it's serial behaviour and cruel beyond words.

Trust your gut lovely. Make the decision for you, not for everyone else.

crockofshite · 16/08/2024 19:51

He's fake, it's all fake. He's a liar, an untrustworthy, devious fake. And unfaithful.

You will never ever be able to trust him or believe anything he says.

There is only one 'next step ' for you no matter what pressure your family choose to put you under.

No kids, no joint assets, nothing to stop you making a clean break.

Good luck.

WingingItFTM · 16/08/2024 20:33

PLEASE PLEASE leave now whilst you’re not too entangled.

the most worrying thing is not the cheating - though that is awful - it’s the gaslighting, denial and lying when you find anything new out - this tells you everything you need to know. Deep down you know it’s time to leave.

Huge hugs and best of luck - you have 1 life to enjoy

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 16/08/2024 20:39

He is not ' kind ' he is a liar and deceitful !

tennesseewhiskey1 · 16/08/2024 20:43

Why anyone would choose to say with such an absolute cunt and consider having kids with him is beyond me - he might still be cheating on you now.

Cm19841 · 16/08/2024 20:48

Probably a lot going on round this but I cannot overlook you saying "he cancelled her visa and she was forced to move back to her home country".

Unm, after years of stringing along... what a terrible thing to do to someone who thinks you love them, or maybe one day will again. Wretched.

Beenthroughit · 16/08/2024 21:09

Another thing to bear in mind is that he could actually divorce you even if you didn't want to, so you'd be in he same situation with your family
Do it asap and spare yourself a hellish marriage

anon666 · 16/08/2024 21:15

This guy sounds very much like a narcissist. Please leave him before becoming any more interconnected and before having children.

He must be very charming, but very deceitful, and he has no conscience. He is using women as he pleases for his own needs.

I am so sorry you have to go through the pain of finding this out. But in the long run, this is a godsend.

I speak as someone whose sister has been destroyed by a similar man. Unfortunately she has children with him and despite now finally being divorced, he is still using and manipulating their son to extract every possible piece of misery on her.

They are simply horrible people to be involved with. It's better to be alone.

HoneyLimesBlossom · 16/08/2024 21:22

Just a passing comment OP - (i’ll message properly later i’m out right now) but you say he’s a ‘people pleaser! .. how so?

as he sounds like a PEOPLE ‘TAKER’ , a piss taker! NOTHING whatsoever sounds like a ‘people pleasing ‘ ‘man’

Coco2024 · 16/08/2024 21:29

this is a horrible situation
he has basically already cheated on you from what I’m understanding at the beginning of your relationship.
does marriage make it differnt for him Ie it’s more of a commitment and so he wouldn’t cheat on his wife? Or do you think that will end up happening too?
i am worried that he will never change and if you do decide to continue with this marriage, he will end up cheating on you too (as it seems to be a habit for him), but this time you’ll have kids and joint assets in tow to worry about too 😩😩😩.

Runnerinthenight · 16/08/2024 21:30

nextdoorconundrum · 15/08/2024 07:38

I think many men behave like this before they meet 'the one' . Until this point they don't feel any shame in sleeping around. He didn't marry either of the other girls. He married you. He can't change his sleazy past.So is frustrated that you have pulled him up on behaviour he can not now do anything about and to him is 'in the past'

That's how I expect him to be thinking.

You on the other hand would not of hung around long enough to become the one' had you known his behaviour.

Only you can know if you can forgive.

Who on earth could "forgive'" this?!! I don't agree that "many men behave like this" either. Only scumbags mess women around like that!

@AbominablePloughMan You know what you need to do, don't you? This man is a cunt, and not to be trusted. Get yourself out, rely on friends if family aren't supportive. So sorry you are going through this x

AlleycatMarie · 16/08/2024 22:36

I’m sorry you’re going through this @AbominablePloughMan
I think of it were me, I would focus on the more recent months of the marriage. Has he done anything to make you have doubts about his faithfulness? If he had changed his ways I could forgive him. But only you can decide what you are willing to forgive, not your friends, family or people on this forum.

Toptops · 16/08/2024 23:30

I am so sorry for the situation you have been put in.
You will obviously need to work out if you'll ever be able to trust him again.
I would say that using the expression MO for your husband's behaviour doesn't bode well for the future of your relationship and to trust your gut feelings.

JoBrandsCleaner · 16/08/2024 23:53

I think you’ve got no choice really, divorce is a stressful thing to go through but he’s ridiculous.
he objectifies and uses women, he probably doesn’t have a genuine connection very often with any of them. He’s a compulsive liar. Can you really imagine having kids with such a selfish loser? You’d have to rely on him, that would be a lot more scary then facing up to your family, they’ll be ok in the end they’re still speaking to you now even though you married him.
He’s just not the person you thought he was, that’s not your fault. Your intentions were decent and genuine and you love(d) him, this is all his fault.

lolit · 16/08/2024 23:58

He cancelled her visa and continued this relationship for a year after we met

Jesus, he is straight-up a sociopath. Run and consider yourself very lucky you never had kids or joint assets with this man!!!!

Zanatdy · 17/08/2024 06:49

Oh OP this is awful. Both your awful cheating husband and your parents behaviour. I’d dump both and get some therapy. You don’t have to accept this behaviour from either of them.

A friend of mine’s DH was in a relationship with someone else for a good few months when he got together with my friend. She was distraught when she found out, he said he didn’t know how to end it with the other woman so found himself with 2 women on the go. I was so surprised when she told me as when you meet him, you find it hard to believe he would do that. But he did, she forgave him, they later married and had children and she does genuinely trust him. They’ve been happily married over 20yrs. But in your case this is a pattern of repeat behaviour, him wanting his cake and eating it

Needafriend14 · 17/08/2024 12:15

He's a sociopath !! please get out now while you can. As far as your parents are concerned explain this horrendous situation in a letter. If they still judge you and refuse to accept it well shame on them and I would be questioning their sanity.

Nonononoway · 17/08/2024 12:46

You says he’s told you, he chose you, but do you choose him?
he has deprived you of the right to decide if his appealing behaviour is acceptable to you. Why should he decide for you ?
forget him and family, do what is right only for you.

Nonononoway · 17/08/2024 12:47

Is for forgivable? Fuck no.

Turquoise123 · 17/08/2024 13:49

I am so sorry this has happened to you. Do you have anyone that you know who can support you ?

AbominablePloughMan · 17/08/2024 15:16

Beth216 · 15/08/2024 11:51

It's sounds OP like you moved from a narcissist mother to a narcissist OH - pretending to be lovely and pretending to do things for other people's benefit, never to blame for anything, needing constant attention from as many sources as possible, lies as easily as breathing, gas lights you till you have no idea what's true and what's not - your OH is ticking a few boxes don't you think?

Unfortunately I don't think it's that unusual when you've had a narcissist for a parent. Of course you need leave, you need to put yourself first and not any of these people who will suck the life out of you.

I think this is it. I’ve not just been naive or made a mistake, I’ve been groomed towards something like this for my whole life. Therapy and space have made this clearer in my foggy mind, and so much of what has been said on this thread resonates strongly with me.

I’ve had failed relationships before, but ‘normal’ bad. Nothing like this.

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AbominablePloughMan · 17/08/2024 15:20

femfemlicious · 15/08/2024 13:01

My goodness 😱. This marriage can only get much worse.

It gets worse. I’ve mentioned upthread that I’ve left a lot of other subsequent stuff out of this thread (I’ve posted about the other stuff before too). I’m trying to keep the focus on this one thing rather than pulling the thread in too many directions.

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AbominablePloughMan · 17/08/2024 15:29

HoneyLimesBlossom · 16/08/2024 21:22

Just a passing comment OP - (i’ll message properly later i’m out right now) but you say he’s a ‘people pleaser! .. how so?

as he sounds like a PEOPLE ‘TAKER’ , a piss taker! NOTHING whatsoever sounds like a ‘people pleasing ‘ ‘man’

He has a very mild, submissive and pleasing demeanour. He bends over backwards committing to things he has no chance in hell of seeing through because he can’t say no. But he doesn’t exactly kill himself to follow through either, he just doesn’t see the consequences of his actions (committing and not following though). He sort of says anything that will get him out of a tight spot in the moment and the consequences are a problem for another day. He seems very very short sighted. This plays out at work and at home. I know he’s been getting on people’s nerves at work too.

I haven’t spoken to the ex ex, but I know that she has reached out to him many times to try and get back together, including moving countries the last time.

The more recent ex told me (via a mutual friend) she was devastated when her visa ‘couldn’t be renewed’ and stuck around in a LDR with him because being with him was ‘a dream come true’.

How is it that he’s kept this facade up for so long, in his personal life and at work, but only now it’s all starting to unravel all at once?

His family think he’s lovely and kind and gentle and the perfect son/brother/uncle. But he’s been quite selfish towards them too. I’ve been dragging him to see his dad with cancer/call his stressed mum/see his nephews.

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