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AIBU?

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Or is this unforgivable?

215 replies

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 07:18

I’ve been married a year. Knew my husband for 3 years before we married.

Shortly after we married I found out that when we had met, he was still in a relationship. He had checked out of the relationship with the ex, but had kept her on the hook for almost 2 years while looking for something better. 6 months before we met, he had cancelled her visa (it was a partner visa linked to him) and she had been forced to move back to her home country. He told me they were broken up, but in reality they were still speaking every day and she was very much under the impression that he was looking for a job in her country. He continued this relationship for a year after we met until she got fed up and met someone else.

This came so soon after the wedding that I was knocked for 6. My husband convinced me that he had no feelings for her and was only continuing the relationship because she was mentally fragile and suicidal. It was only on the phone and it meant nothing. I agreed to try to get over it. I’m from a conservative culture and had to face a lot of opposition for marrying a white man. I was ashamed of losing face with my community. I’ve posted about this bit before. Now there’s more.

I have now found out that he had been visiting this ex in her home country and been sleeping with her, and attended weddings with her as a couple. I’ve seen messages sexting and wishing each other happy anniversaries months and months after he started dating me. This was all during covid, I wasn’t really keeping track of his movements, he told me he was attending the weddings alone.

In addition, I have also found out that a year before he met me he rekindled a relationship with a previous ex, also while still with the more recent ex. The ex ex agreed to move her work location and come to the UK. She moved in with him a few months after we met, and lived with him at least 6 months (possibly more as this was during covid, I don’t know for sure). He says he broke up with her before she arrived, but had to let her live in his spare room as she had moved for him and had nowhere else to go (not true, her job would have provided her paid accommodation). Even if it’s true they were broken up while living together, he had cheated on his more recent ex for 2 years with two different girls while stringing her along. He was also in two serious relationships when he met me, and started another relationship with me. He cheated on me for at least one year with at least one girl after we met.

Please be gentle. My head is all over the place and I don’t know what’s real and fake any more. My husband has dismissed the whole thing saying they meant nothing, it was a mistake, he chose me not them etc. etc. It doesn’t feel like nothing, it feels very very cruel and manipulative. He can be kind but is also very conflict avoidant and a people pleaser, and can be quite selfish in his decisions, as this clearly shows. Ever since I found out about the more recent ex, he seems to have checked out of our marriage, but says he wants to work on things.

We’ve been married for a year. No kids no joint assets. AIBU in thinking that this is very very wrong? Or have I lost all perspective and it was early in the relationship so I should let it go? What on earth could possibly justify what he did? What could he have been thinking?

Due to family and cultural stuff, I need to think about what I do very carefully. I’m not saying that I agree with the cultural bullshit, just that my family will make life hell for me if I leave, but I may well be in a hellish marriage, so I’m kind of between a rock and a hard place.

OP posts:
HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:57

Cancelling that women's visa was a cruel thing to do and then to string her along

This too.

Findingmypurposeinlife · 15/08/2024 09:59

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:00

Thank you for sharing. I can’t believe there’s more than one person out there like this? Do you mind me asking how you ended it at last? And did you ever understand anything more about his motivations, or what made you susceptible to such gaslighting behaviour?

You don't need to ask yourself why you 'fell' for the lies - as soon as you found this out, you are facing up to them and dealing with them head on.
Get out while you can.
I lost everything (everyone) and as devastating as it was, it has made me much more emotionally stronger. (More than I could ever have imagined)

BlastedPimples · 15/08/2024 10:04

He does sound cruel and callous. The way he has treated those women and you.

That's who he is.

And you had to work quite hard to piece it all together. He didn't want you to know it all. He knows it's not right or acceptable.

Can you get out of this marriage quickly?

It's not that you're not special. It's just that he will treat you the same way it's who he is. What he does.

People do not change. And yes, I do believe cheaters will always always cheat. But more than that. This man's character is so dishonest and unkind to do what he's done.

timenowplease · 15/08/2024 10:05

And looking back it’s true, all the red flags and signs were there, I just wasn’t looking. how could I have been so naive?

He's obviously very good at what he does. After all, you are not the only woman he fooled-you have quite a lot of company!

Could you tell your family a white lie like 'He told me he didn't want kids'. Would that make things easier?

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 10:09

oh and don't forget he did it because she was 'suicidal'.

The suicidal/unstable line reminds me of the excuses cheating men use not to leave their wives. And conversely also used to justify to their wives why they didn't end the relationship with their OW unequivocally.

It's "I string women along and cheat on them but it's only because I'm such a nice, sensitive, kind guy. I was a hostage to the risk of them harming themselves, poor poor me".

(It's up there in the golden oldies with "I can't leave my wife because I can't break up my kids home, cause I care a about then so much". Ah so that's why you're cheating on their mother and risking getting caught, resulting in years of hurt, bitterness, dysfunction etc if you stay and years of hurt, acrimony and bitterness if you leave; rather than just keeping your dick in your trousers until you leave. Sure).

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 10:11

Could you tell your family a white lie like 'He told me he didn't want kids'. Would that make things easier?

Tell them you've discovered he's a cross dressing bisexual.

If they're conservative, that could be fun.

Greenhedge1 · 15/08/2024 10:20

God help you OP, but he is lying scum.

Real lying scum.
Thank god you are not financially tied to him, nor have children.
This is a bad man.
Please do not believe a single word out of his mouth.

You need to get yourself into therapy asap.

Your family will only ever bring you pain and grief so unfortunately you have many tough decisions to make.

Don't throw your life away by accepting these toxic people in your life.

Could you look for a job transfer far away?

wp65 · 15/08/2024 10:27

LunaNorth · 15/08/2024 07:52

OP, you sound as if you have your head screwed on properly. You’re mature enough to be married, and you have a job in which you make life and death decisions for people, by the sounds of it.

Let this version of you make this decision - not the parentally/culturally conditioned part. I know that won’t be easy, but neither will living your life with a man who will in all likelihood ruin it. How are you ever going to be able to relax and trust him, knowing how he lied to you with such ease?

This is a really good response.

Izzynohopanda · 15/08/2024 10:34

He’s a s-hit isn’t he. If you stay, it’ll only get worse.

Get out and start living your life. Yes, your family may make it difficult for a while, but once you’ve moved on, it will be yesterday’s news.

Whete do you want to be in five years time? Regretting you didn’t do something sooner?

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 10:40

Thanks for all the responses so far. I understand what everyone is saying. I think I’m in shock, and I’m also grieving the future I thought I had. Obviously I know this is a phantom future since my husband is not the person I thought he was. I’m still trying to get my head around what made him do such a thing. What did he get out of it beyond stress and divorce? Why did he bother marrying me?

As many have pointed out, I do want kids. I’m 32 and feel like I spent 4 good years on a fantasy. I guess I’m also coming to terms with the fact that kids may not happen either. I find the thought of trusting another man unthinkable now.

OP posts:
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/08/2024 10:48

@AbominablePloughMan At 32 you do have time to meet someone else and have kids, even with the trust issues you will no doubt have. You just have to remember that most men don't actually do this. But please don't waste another second of your life on this man.

This is probably looking way too far ahead, but if you separate from your husband and then have an unplanned pregnancy with someone else very quickly, there could be an administrative nightmare to sort out if you are still married to your husband when you have a baby, because as your husband he will be assumed to be the father. So don't waste any time in getting divorced, just in case you move on with your life quicker than anticipated.

fruitbrewhaha · 15/08/2024 10:49

nextdoorconundrum · 15/08/2024 07:38

I think many men behave like this before they meet 'the one' . Until this point they don't feel any shame in sleeping around. He didn't marry either of the other girls. He married you. He can't change his sleazy past.So is frustrated that you have pulled him up on behaviour he can not now do anything about and to him is 'in the past'

That's how I expect him to be thinking.

You on the other hand would not of hung around long enough to become the one' had you known his behaviour.

Only you can know if you can forgive.

No, they really don’t all behave like this.

LemonMead · 15/08/2024 10:50

Not RTFT but get out now while it's as easy as it'll ever be, OP. Sympathies to you - you deserve better than this awful person.

DaisyChain505 · 15/08/2024 10:51

Screw “family and cultural stuff”

this man has lied, disrespected you and treated you like dirt. There’s nothing to think about. Leave him.

Your family and culture should want you to live a happy life, not be miserable just to save face.

The more people in certain cultures break stupid traditions the more it will become normal to do things for your self and not because you think it’s what you should do.

life is far too short to be unhappy, disrespected and treated like crap.

tsmainsqueeze · 15/08/2024 10:53

You deserve so much more than this excuse of a man ,equally you deserve the respect of your family .
Please leave and make a happy life , any family who put image and reputation before their beloved daughter aren't worth bothering with.
Your freedom awaits don't hesitate .

WestwardHo1 · 15/08/2024 10:53

He sounds like he has a deeply disordered personality.

No empathy, no conscience, nothing. So he "chose" you did he? He clearly thinks women are accessories.

This is not a "mistake". This is who he is.

butterbeansauce · 15/08/2024 10:56

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 10:40

Thanks for all the responses so far. I understand what everyone is saying. I think I’m in shock, and I’m also grieving the future I thought I had. Obviously I know this is a phantom future since my husband is not the person I thought he was. I’m still trying to get my head around what made him do such a thing. What did he get out of it beyond stress and divorce? Why did he bother marrying me?

As many have pointed out, I do want kids. I’m 32 and feel like I spent 4 good years on a fantasy. I guess I’m also coming to terms with the fact that kids may not happen either. I find the thought of trusting another man unthinkable now.

I think you're assessing him by your own values. Such a double life would be unthinkable for you because you have your own moral code. It's probably why you didn't see the signs earlier because you imagine someone who strings so many people along would be some kind of monster, not a seemingly nice man.

But he has been very unkind to more than one woman and actively deceived three women. I think he loves the drama and has re-worked it in his head that he's some starcrossed lover who can't help loving three women at once. Don't fall for it OP. You deserve better. And as soon as you are able go LC with your family. The way they have treated you makes you more vulnerable to narcissists and manipulators because they treat you not to listen to your own judgement and ignore warning signs.

MissUltraViolet · 15/08/2024 10:57

Your husband is a vile pig.

It doesn't matter what your family will say to you or think of you, let them get it out their system, keep your distance and it'll pass.

If you stay with this man you are going to be utterly miserable. You will never be able to trust him, it will drive you crazy. He has shown you who he is, get out, now.

You're only 32, you have time. There are lots of shitty men out there but there are also lots and lots of men who would never treat you (and the other women caught up in this) in such a disgusting way.

You have chance to be happy, please take it.

Toastcrumbsinsofa · 15/08/2024 10:58

Catza · 15/08/2024 09:19

Please don't blame yourself for it. One way to deal with the family is to not give them details of what actually happened. Just say you filed for a divorce because you took on board what they are saying about your husband and realised this relationship is not suitable. Then every "I told you so" can be met with "You did and I thank you for making me see that you were right all along". There is literally nothing they can say if you agree with them.

This is good advice.

UnionRep · 15/08/2024 10:59

He's a cheat and a liar. He manipulated you.

You deserve better.

Hold your head high. If anyone asks why you've ended it just tell them you were not prepared to be treated so badly.

pikkumyy77 · 15/08/2024 10:59

Thelondonone · 15/08/2024 07:23

The cultural bullshit will be temporary and your parents, culture will get over it. If you don’t leave you are accepting a lifetime of misery.

This.

Also: you will not be able to maintain status quo. Hiding from this reality will not be possible. In the long run, your husband is going to hurt, humiliate, and shame you in your community. It will be worse the mire entangled you get and after you have children . Your community will find out as his betrayals become more persistent and public. Get out as fast as you can and just shrug and say “It seems the community were right to disapprove of him. Glad I listened.”

LoobyDoop2 · 15/08/2024 11:00

OP, you sound so nice. It makes me sad to think that this piece of shit might get to ruin your life. Don’t let him. There will be the most amazing person out there for you somewhere, or more than one person. Or incredible adventures on your own. Get yourself into a position where you can make the most of them. Remember that line

Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 11:02

I guess I’m also coming to terms with the fact that kids may not happen either

You're 32.

I don't know if it's still up but the NHS fertility page used to have a factoid that 90% of women 39 and under fall pregnant within two years of TTC.

My antenatal class bore that out.
I was probably the oldest at 40 (41 by delivery), the youngest was 27 and she seemed young in compared to EVERYONE else who were all in their mid to late 30s.

You don't have to give up on that.

People interpret a steeper decline in fertility from 35 onwards as a cliff, it is not a cliff.
The same people, who think in black and white, often refer to peak fertility; peak is peak. Peak oil (the max number of barrels of oil we'd ever extract from the earth was a loooong time ago, but this whole world is still running on oil!).

Even if you weren't to meet someone "in time", a donor is always a possibility. It's not what many people would chose as ideal but it's still a possibility.
In any case, the faster you extract yourself from this, the faster you'll be dating to meet someone. It's not worth wasting any of your fertile years trying to work out his behaviour.

(I presume he married you because it suited him, in whatever ways to marry you, rather than pursue marriage with the other two. He's still not faithful or honest or decent, which is the bottom line).

DisforDarkChocolate · 15/08/2024 11:02

I'd get out otherwise you are in for a lifetime of this.

All that cultural shit basically means men get to treat women like crap and it's accepted. Make the change and show people you're worth more. You will find other people who have done this, once you've made that step so many stories come out of the woodwork people have hidden.

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 11:05

It seems the community were right to disapprove of him. Glad I listened.”

That would be racist, would it not??

If they were unaware of his behaviour and only didn't want her with him because he's white.

Avd would cut out all other white men for future relationships unnecessarily. Because they'd say "well, you admitted you shouldn't get involved with white men".

Probably not a good idea to cut out about 80% of your possible candidates. Since op appears to be in the UK.

They'd also only tell op that she didn't listen , cause she married him. She hardly needs more abuse.

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