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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or is this unforgivable?

215 replies

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 07:18

I’ve been married a year. Knew my husband for 3 years before we married.

Shortly after we married I found out that when we had met, he was still in a relationship. He had checked out of the relationship with the ex, but had kept her on the hook for almost 2 years while looking for something better. 6 months before we met, he had cancelled her visa (it was a partner visa linked to him) and she had been forced to move back to her home country. He told me they were broken up, but in reality they were still speaking every day and she was very much under the impression that he was looking for a job in her country. He continued this relationship for a year after we met until she got fed up and met someone else.

This came so soon after the wedding that I was knocked for 6. My husband convinced me that he had no feelings for her and was only continuing the relationship because she was mentally fragile and suicidal. It was only on the phone and it meant nothing. I agreed to try to get over it. I’m from a conservative culture and had to face a lot of opposition for marrying a white man. I was ashamed of losing face with my community. I’ve posted about this bit before. Now there’s more.

I have now found out that he had been visiting this ex in her home country and been sleeping with her, and attended weddings with her as a couple. I’ve seen messages sexting and wishing each other happy anniversaries months and months after he started dating me. This was all during covid, I wasn’t really keeping track of his movements, he told me he was attending the weddings alone.

In addition, I have also found out that a year before he met me he rekindled a relationship with a previous ex, also while still with the more recent ex. The ex ex agreed to move her work location and come to the UK. She moved in with him a few months after we met, and lived with him at least 6 months (possibly more as this was during covid, I don’t know for sure). He says he broke up with her before she arrived, but had to let her live in his spare room as she had moved for him and had nowhere else to go (not true, her job would have provided her paid accommodation). Even if it’s true they were broken up while living together, he had cheated on his more recent ex for 2 years with two different girls while stringing her along. He was also in two serious relationships when he met me, and started another relationship with me. He cheated on me for at least one year with at least one girl after we met.

Please be gentle. My head is all over the place and I don’t know what’s real and fake any more. My husband has dismissed the whole thing saying they meant nothing, it was a mistake, he chose me not them etc. etc. It doesn’t feel like nothing, it feels very very cruel and manipulative. He can be kind but is also very conflict avoidant and a people pleaser, and can be quite selfish in his decisions, as this clearly shows. Ever since I found out about the more recent ex, he seems to have checked out of our marriage, but says he wants to work on things.

We’ve been married for a year. No kids no joint assets. AIBU in thinking that this is very very wrong? Or have I lost all perspective and it was early in the relationship so I should let it go? What on earth could possibly justify what he did? What could he have been thinking?

Due to family and cultural stuff, I need to think about what I do very carefully. I’m not saying that I agree with the cultural bullshit, just that my family will make life hell for me if I leave, but I may well be in a hellish marriage, so I’m kind of between a rock and a hard place.

OP posts:
niadainud · 15/08/2024 09:02

He's clearly utterly untrustworthy and there is most likely other stuff you haven't found out about yet. I would leave asap and definitely don't get pregnant.

Catza · 15/08/2024 09:02

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 08:52

In reality though my head is spinning. My world keeps being turned upside down but he maintains this facade that he is kind and loving and caring and did what he did because he cared too much about hurting all these women. While his actions are of someone unbelievable cold and selfish. I just can’t reconcile the two, the man I thought I knew and what his actions are telling me. It’s a huge mindfuck which is why I’m questioning my very reality, if he’s right and I’ve got the wrong end of the stick. I can’t separate the rational from the emotional.

Well hang on. What he really is saying is that he is blaming these women for the way he behaved. Because they were such emotionally fragile gentle flowers that he couldn't possibly do the right thing by them. He may present it as caring in his language but it is not really what he means at all.
Ultimately, he is absolving himself from any responsibility here. And it is very hard to move on with someone who doesn't acknowledge their behaviour.

timenowplease · 15/08/2024 09:05

This sounds shit OP. Thank God there's no kids. He will not/has not changed his ways and this will only get worse.

Despite how difficult it may be with your family you need to split with him. Don't waste any more of your life.

Catlord · 15/08/2024 09:09

You can't stay with this man. His behaviour is horrendous.

In terms of easing the cultural side, is there a reasonable cultural/ religious leader who you can speak to who might advise you on how to ride this out, give you courage or approach this with your family? If not maybe a call to women's aid or a relevant women's cultural organisation like that?

You married in good faith, made a go of it and tried your best, that doesn't mean you deserve to either be stuck with someone dishonest and unfaithful not only to you but serially, or isolated.

If all else fails, prepare to seek support outside your immediate community and take some time building new bonds. This will happen. Honestly, most people in the world will understand and sympathise. I don't think you should feel hamstrung into wasting your life with someone like this.

Comtesse · 15/08/2024 09:11

Saltedbutter · 15/08/2024 07:22

Oh, this isn’t great, is it?

Has he given you any cause for concern in his current behaviour? Is there a hope that he’s learned his lesson and that’s why he’s made the commitment of marriage to you?

I know that may so naive and people say that ‘once a cheat, always a cheat’ but I do believe people can learn their lessons also.

I wouldn’t be rushing to have children yet.

What are you on about??

The OP says “he cheated on me for at least one year with at least one girl”.

This is pretty awful not just some “boys will be boys” chickenshit thing.

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:14

PolaroidPrincess · 15/08/2024 08:31

No not my life. Just a lot of ‘I told you sos’ and ‘you’ve made your beds’ etc. but in a quite nasty, dehumanising way.

Im already in a huge amount of mental anguish as a result of my husbands betrayal, so very wary of adding even more pain on top of that.

I can imagine that being difficult and your reluctance to go face the criticism but everyone is allowed to make mistakes OP and I doubt that family's reaction will be worse than spending years of your precious life with a man that has already checked out of your marriage and you can't trust.

I think that we make decisions using the information we have available at the time.

Had you known everything about him and the utterly diabolical way he treats women his previous relationships, I doubt that you would have married him, but you didn't know, he kept that from you.

Know you do know it's time to make the best decision with the new information that you have.

I think you deserve more.

I hear you, but I will get a lot of - how could you have been so naive to have not known. I know I will be blamed for this no matter what he has done.

And looking back it’s true, all the red flags and signs were there, I just wasn’t looking. how could I have been so naive?

OP posts:
Starlight1979 · 15/08/2024 09:14

In addition, I have also found out that a year before he met me he rekindled a relationship with a previous ex, also while still with the more recent ex. The ex ex agreed to move her work location and come to the UK.

He was also in two serious relationships when he met me, and started another relationship with me. He cheated on me for at least one year with at least one girl after we met.

WTF?!?!?! Who the hell has the time and energy for all of these relationships?!?! How the hell did he keep them all up without any of the women finding out about each other?!

Honestly OP, just get rid. He's a serial cheat / liar. He will not change. He's already cheated on you - probably with more than one woman. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he's doing it again.

And fuck what your family think / say. Please don't stay with him just to save face.

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:18

RoachFish · 15/08/2024 08:04

I don't think this is a man with good morals or conscience, and I don't believe that it is something you can suddenly develope in your middle age. He hasn't learnt anything because he isn't emotionally intelligent enough to learn. This means he's not marriage or parent material unfortunately. I wish he had been more transparent with you before you got married but at least you have found out before you got pregnant (if that's what you want) and you can get out fairly unscathed. You have also most likely only found the tip of the iceberg, there is no doubt lots more to come if you choose to stay and the longer you stay the harder it will be to get out because you would have invested even more into this poor excuse of a man.

I know it's easy for me to say, but please don't think about what your family will think about you leaving him, they will come around eventually. You have to remember that you are the most important person in your life.

Yes, it is the tip of the ice berg. He has done a bunch of other horrendous stuff in response to me finding out. I’m keeping this thread focussed just on the original crime, because my gut feeling is that the subsequent rest is irrelevant, this in itself is unforgivable.

Im wracked with guilt and self blame. I put myself on the line to marry him, and had to really face a lot of criticism. How could I have got it so wrong?

OP posts:
AgileGreenSeal · 15/08/2024 09:18

niadainud · 15/08/2024 09:02

He's clearly utterly untrustworthy and there is most likely other stuff you haven't found out about yet. I would leave asap and definitely don't get pregnant.

This.
The trust has gone.
There will be more that you don’t yet know, he only reluctantly admits and confesses what you already know.
He has zero problem being deceptive.

If you have children with him you will have to hand them over into his care for days. How would that sit with you when you know he’s a deceiver and he’s untrustworthy?

Catza · 15/08/2024 09:19

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:14

I hear you, but I will get a lot of - how could you have been so naive to have not known. I know I will be blamed for this no matter what he has done.

And looking back it’s true, all the red flags and signs were there, I just wasn’t looking. how could I have been so naive?

Please don't blame yourself for it. One way to deal with the family is to not give them details of what actually happened. Just say you filed for a divorce because you took on board what they are saying about your husband and realised this relationship is not suitable. Then every "I told you so" can be met with "You did and I thank you for making me see that you were right all along". There is literally nothing they can say if you agree with them.

SeatonCarew · 15/08/2024 09:21

Kindly, OP, I don't think you have a choice here. Your husband has clearly and repeatedly shown the type of man he is, his behaviour is not going to change now. He is a user and denigrator of women, he shows them zero respect. Carry on being married to him and you will find yourself in this position again in the future, only with even more hurt and more time wasted with this loser.

I don't instantly leap to LTB on issues of marriage, but his behaviour is so engrained, it's not going to change. I'm sorry. 🌷 Do the only thing you can, treat yourself with love and respect and end it. Be your own best friend, your older self will thank you for it. Good luck. x

Starlight1979 · 15/08/2024 09:25

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:14

I hear you, but I will get a lot of - how could you have been so naive to have not known. I know I will be blamed for this no matter what he has done.

And looking back it’s true, all the red flags and signs were there, I just wasn’t looking. how could I have been so naive?

So you've been naive...? So what?! It's not a crime and is actually a very endearing quality! There are far worse things to be. Like a lying and cheating manipulator for starters.

OP please stop worrying about what others will think and just get out.

FOJN · 15/08/2024 09:27

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:14

I hear you, but I will get a lot of - how could you have been so naive to have not known. I know I will be blamed for this no matter what he has done.

And looking back it’s true, all the red flags and signs were there, I just wasn’t looking. how could I have been so naive?

Red flags are easily recognisable with hindsight but each individual incident that gives you momentary pause can often be explained by the flawed nature of humans.

If you are not callous, selfish and exploitative you don't put the concerning behaviours in that context. Mix that with an apparently loving and kind demeanor and you question if you are unreasonably expecting someone to be perfect.

None of us expect to find the person we committed our life to is nothing like the person we thought they were and when you find out it feels like everything has been a lie and you will never be able to trust your own judgement again. It's shocking and frightening.

You were not naive, you were deceived.

Teacherprebaby · 15/08/2024 09:30

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:18

Yes, it is the tip of the ice berg. He has done a bunch of other horrendous stuff in response to me finding out. I’m keeping this thread focussed just on the original crime, because my gut feeling is that the subsequent rest is irrelevant, this in itself is unforgivable.

Im wracked with guilt and self blame. I put myself on the line to marry him, and had to really face a lot of criticism. How could I have got it so wrong?

It is NOT your fault though. I hope you know that. 'How could I not have known?' Consider how many intelligent women ask themselves those very words. You couldn't have known, he is obviously an excellent manipulator.

You know now though...so don't make the wrong decision here that will affect the rest of your life. Your family will get over it in time, they'll have to.

MimiGC · 15/08/2024 09:30

Has he been having safer sex (ie using condoms) with these other women or you? If not, he has knowingly been putting you at risk from STDs. I would add that to my 'unforgivable' list.

Saltedbutter · 15/08/2024 09:31

Comtesse · 15/08/2024 09:11

What are you on about??

The OP says “he cheated on me for at least one year with at least one girl”.

This is pretty awful not just some “boys will be boys” chickenshit thing.

What are you on about??

She said they spoke for a year. Which, of course, is unforgivable but I’ve asked if there’s a chance he’s learned a lesson.

Please could you highlight where I’ve said, or implied, that ‘boys will be boys’?

Have you woken up looking for an argument?

Tagyoureit · 15/08/2024 09:41

You cannot stay in a marriage just to save face within your culture so you know what you need to do if you're completely honest with yourself.

Expect better!

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:42

He sounds like he had at least three women on the go at the same time.

And that he lied to all of them.

His integrity is ..... MIA.

People generally don't act like that and then suddenly stop.

I wouldn't beat yourself up.... Many smart, educated, attractive women have not seen red flags and ended up in worse situations. I can think of a few celebs just off the top of my head.

You have no shared kids, no ties, no financial mess ....you've actually dodged a bullet here. It could be way worse.

If your family gave you so much shit for dating and marrying a white man (just because of race) they must be prejudiced, bigoted, irrational etc.so I really wouldn't be taking anything they think seriously or giving it credit.
Nonsense from them is just par for the course.

You're sadly going to have to find coping mechanisms for dealing with their foolishness, on top of the pain & disappointment of dealing with this specimen.

A decent family member would be concerned, sympathetic, sorry you were in this position, supportive & protective towards you..... In total contrast my what you know you're in for from them. That says anything you need to know about them. In the nicest possible way (!) fuck 'em.
This is your life, your welfare, your happiness, your stability; look after your interests and forget about your nutty family. Replace anything the say with "blah blah blah".

It would be insanity to invest further with this "man".

RoachFish · 15/08/2024 09:43

AbominablePloughMan · 15/08/2024 09:18

Yes, it is the tip of the ice berg. He has done a bunch of other horrendous stuff in response to me finding out. I’m keeping this thread focussed just on the original crime, because my gut feeling is that the subsequent rest is irrelevant, this in itself is unforgivable.

Im wracked with guilt and self blame. I put myself on the line to marry him, and had to really face a lot of criticism. How could I have got it so wrong?

You are right that what you have mentioned here is in itself unforgivable, but the fact that he has been horrendous since is also very telling regarding who he really is. You have been manipulated, lied to and cheated on, the guilt and shame should firmly be with him, not you. He has made it his life mission to con women and he has obviously got quite good at it because I am certain that you or the other women he has conned as fools. You are just decent human beings who don't walk around being paranoid that somebody is trying to pull the wool over your head. It's normal and healthy to live life like that and his actions have zero reflection on you.

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:45

but the fact that he has been horrendous since is also very telling regarding who he really is.

Yep.

toomuchfaff · 15/08/2024 09:48

Get out and get out now while you still have no kids.

Don't know where to begin... Lies, deceit. If he's cheated before he will do it again, he has no respect for you, at some point you'll be the one he tires of and moves onto another. He is not a good one.

Get out of this marriage, get away from this man, don't believe a word he says. If he told me it was raining outside I'd have to go check. He will tell you anything he thinks you want to hear but he will never tell you the truth. Leave and take some of your control back.

It's OK to admit that you made. mistake, you have walked through the wrong door, you made a mistake by believeing this man and marrying him, but it's absolutely stupid to stay in that wrong room for the rest of your life.

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:51

but I’ve asked if there’s a chance he’s learned a lesson.

Wasn't he at this with more than one other woman?

He's a cheater and liar. He's happy to be involved with more than one woman while "forgetting" to mention that to them.
He's also been extremely nasty when found out.

The best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour.

I would not be hitching my wagon to that.

I never know whether posters who encourage people to give bastards and dickheads second chances are extremely naive, non risk averse .. or sadists.

MintyNew · 15/08/2024 09:53

Thelondonone · 15/08/2024 07:23

The cultural bullshit will be temporary and your parents, culture will get over it. If you don’t leave you are accepting a lifetime of misery.

This op. You will be condemning yourself to a life of misery and regret not doing anything about it when you had full knowledge of who he really is. He has treated so many women SO badly, what makes you think you will be any different?

MintyNew · 15/08/2024 09:56

Op many men do not behave like this. He was in his 30's, not some 20yo starting out life. Cancelling that women's visa was a cruel thing to do and then to string her along with the weddings and stuff, oh and don't forget he did it because she was 'suicidal'.

You are dealing with a very dangerous man here. The danger is that he will wrap you in emotionally and then make your life an absolute nightmare. Leave. Your family will get over it in time, but dont commit yourself to a very unhappy life.

HazelPlayer · 15/08/2024 09:57

your parents, culture will get over it

This. I've seen many divorces and broken engagements ...they become ancient history quite quickly.
Years later, which go by fast, people often forget the person was even married before, and if reminded, struggle to remember to ex's name.

If your family bring it up after a while, it's only because they enjoy castigating & abusing you.

Which is another subject.