To feel relieved and optimistic that we finally have a PM who knows something about something

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So impressed to see the speed rioters are being dealt with. We have someone at the helm who knows something about the law. As opposed to the series of buffoons we have had in recent years who literally don't know how to pay for something in a petrol station, let alone how to manage a pandemic. And the worst of it was they were so thick they didn't even know that they didn't know.

I think Starmer knows what he knows, if you get my meaning -he has his areas of expertise, and will know when he needs to refer to someone else's area of expertise.

I feel more optimistic now than I have done for a very long time

I remember a monthly winter payment going in to my bank one year at least which I didn't have to pay back.

@Noname99 it should stop them doing it again then! Literally the whole point! To reduce kids falling into crime!

Peers will see and deter them too.

This is also about deterring crime in general

I really don't understand how people on this thread can't see or understand this!

Charging people now as a detterant should be cheaper in the long run than ignoring the situation so it continues and takes up the police forces and other emergency services time. Also the destruction of property. And those who have been Injured.

she plead guilty to violent disorder so yes, it's OK to prosecute 13 year olds. She's over the age of criminal responsibility

I have to disagree with you there. There have also been people on the other side arrested and charged. The labour councillor shouting about cutting throats is one example.

Of course there may be fewer arrests on the left than right for other reasons... I'll let you try and work that one out.

Sir Keir seems to have at least two brain cells to rub together, unlike any of the last lot BUT I won't forgive Rachel Reeve for deleting the Winter Fuel Allowance and kicking pensioners in the teeth with both feet plus pretending the WASPI's don't exist and have duly cancelled my Labour Party membership.

I agree.

I hope he'll be brave enough to address this issue. Nothing will improve until a politician is brave enough to separate the issue of racism from concerns about uncontrolled immigration.

The recent rioters may well be a load of appalling racist thugs, but (just as many of the 2011 rioters were opportunist trouble-makers) Keir should not ignore the concerns or perceptions which have set this situation off. Sure, the pretext for the riots was totally wrong and indefensible, but he needs to recognise that people need to be reassured.

People do not read the facts though.

I'm going to screen shot this and come back in a years time...

It was worse here because of Tory policy. Google it.

Could you be a bit more hyperbolic I can’t quite tell your feelings? Pensioners who need to need to sign up for tax credit - many aren’t and that’s the issue. I’m sorry but just because you are a pensioner doesn’t just give you the right to have auto-money. I think give WASPI time. It’s not top of the list unfortunately.

Oh dear, PuddlesPITYParty........there but for the grace of God.

For your info, before State Pensions and the Welfare State we had the inglorious Union Workhouse system. Like to bring that back?

Yeah get over yourself or go have some cheese since you tried to be clever with my user name. I’m 25 so please tell me what I’m going to get when I retire? Oh yeah. Jack shit because being retired probably won’t even be a thing.

He doesn’t know what a woman is. He can get in the bin.

Bit worried about all those pensioners tbh, also concerned about the behaviour policy changes in schools, think thats going to be bad. Honestly after the tories I was willing to hear Labour out. Increasingly though I think the next 4 years are going to be an utter shitshow.

Oh and this, iI prefer my leaders to have some sort of grasp of material reality. Also worried about policing free speech, it’s extremely concerning.

What behaviour policy changes in schools?

Absolutely. You can tell how well he has done by the fact that even the most ardent Tories on here can find no fault with it. When they're desperately resorting to predictions of future as yet uncommitted errors, trying to place the credit elsewhere, calling the man silly names and criticising completely unrelated issues, you know he's done a great job with this.

I’d like to think he’d be brave enough to address the issue but I know he won’t

Except it isn't widespread concern about immigration that's set it off, is it? A small minority of the population who are always up for a fight because they enjoy the violence, have been manipulated like puppets by far right racists. The events of the last week are by no means a barometer of public opinion on immigration. If they were, given how hugely the rioters were outnumbered by counter protesters with placards saying migrants are welcome, you would be forced to conclude the public are very pro immigration indeed.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/jul/20/english-schools-to-phase-out-cruel-behaviour-rules-as-labour-plans-major-education-changes

I think this is going to make it even more difficult to manage behaviour in classrooms.

I don’t think counting placards is an accurate barometer. Immigration has high saliency with voters

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50266-top-national-issues-crime-and-immigration-shoot-up-since-mid-july

No, neither do I, which was precisely my point. It was suggested that the rioters offer an insight into public feeling and the strength of that feeling that the government should heed. I used the example of the vastly greater number of counter protesters to demonstrate this is flawed thinking.

The Torys didn't bother actually processing asylum claims, and left asylum seekers mouldering in hotels for years because if they fixed the problem then they couldn't use it as a wedge issue for their election campaign. They thought that the Rwanda plan was a much better campaign strategy, even though it was obvious to everyone who thought about it for mote than 30 seconds that it would never work. I guess they hoped that nobody would think about it for more than 30 seconds.

Ah no that article was balls. Speculative nonsense that didn't come from Labour.

Bridget Phillipson clarified that it was inaccurate.

If he does know what he’s doing he’ll address ipp sentences…