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To feel relieved and optimistic that we finally have a PM who knows something about something

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mytuppennyworth · 12/08/2024 22:05

So impressed to see the speed rioters are being dealt with. We have someone at the helm who knows something about the law. As opposed to the series of buffoons we have had in recent years who literally don't know how to pay for something in a petrol station, let alone how to manage a pandemic. And the worst of it was they were so thick they didn't even know that they didn't know.

I think Starmer knows what he knows, if you get my meaning -he has his areas of expertise, and will know when he needs to refer to someone else's area of expertise.

I feel more optimistic now than I have done for a very long time

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Moonmelodies · 13/08/2024 07:56

PuddlesPityParty · 13/08/2024 05:41

What one good thing for the majority of the country did Sunak do as PM? & since you can clearly see into the future, what’s the next set for life numbers please?

Did Mr.Sunak's government not pay a contribution towards people's energy bills for a while?

Moonshiners · 13/08/2024 07:58

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You know you have written an incomprehensible sentence trying to claim someone else is thick. 😂

Ponkyandthebrain · 13/08/2024 08:15

Lorelaigilmore88 · 12/08/2024 22:16

Well he is going to of course come down on these particular rioters like a tonne of bricks isn't he? I am not particularly impressed that they've been sped so speedily through the legal system when victims of much more serious crimes can wait years for justice.

No one waits years for justice when the defendant has pleaded guilty. Sentencing is always within weeks. People wait years for investigations and trials because the criminal justice system has been systematically underfunded for 14 years.

There will always be harsher punishments for violent disorder (riot). It’s an offence that challenged the notion that the state keeps peaceful law and order so that people can generally go about their business, go to work, leave their home without fear. They cannot allow a precedent to be set where riot goes without severe punishment. It’s a shame for young people swept up in it.

noblegiraffe · 13/08/2024 08:18

Some people seem to be missing the point that these cases are being sped through the courts as a deterrent. It's pretty obvious that one of the reasons the riots have died down (which is good for everyone) is because of the very visible and well publicised cases of people going to prison within days.

Adviceneeeeded · 13/08/2024 09:57

The arrests and imprisonment are a detergent to stop the riots.

It always worries me when people don't understand these things. Half the country shouldn't be allowed to vote. No patience and no understanding of how things work to a basic level. Shocking.

Give labour a chance. It's only been a month and is going to take a lot longer than one term of being in power to turn the shit show around.

PuddlesPityParty · 13/08/2024 12:39

Moonmelodies · 13/08/2024 07:56

Did Mr.Sunak's government not pay a contribution towards people's energy bills for a while?

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I like how many times you edited that. However, what caused the UK energy crisis? I’m not sure that you can say that was a good thing for the people when the mess was caused by his own party and people were still worse off. Try again.

DadJoke · 13/08/2024 12:43

Lorelaigilmore88 · 12/08/2024 22:16

Well he is going to of course come down on these particular rioters like a tonne of bricks isn't he? I am not particularly impressed that they've been sped so speedily through the legal system when victims of much more serious crimes can wait years for justice.

Attempting to burn people alive is close to the most serious crimes imaginable.

The only people who have been sent down are those who pled guilty, and 70% of them are convicted criminals.

DadJoke · 13/08/2024 12:44

Moonmelodies · 13/08/2024 07:56

Did Mr.Sunak's government not pay a contribution towards people's energy bills for a while?

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No, He gave people a loan, which they have to pay back,

LlynTegid · 13/08/2024 12:47

I know I will disagree with most if not all government on many policy ideas. I still welcome competence though.

Almost none of the post 2019 Tory cabinet ministers would have been good enough to be in Mrs Thatcher's cabinet.

Womanontop · 13/08/2024 12:49

StuckOnTheCeiling · 13/08/2024 07:22

And who was head of the CPS at the time? I’ll save you the google, it was Keir Starmer.

Right?

I was pointing out the poster had the year incorrect, and the speed in which defendants went to trial was equally fast.

But cheers for the education love, I had absolutely no idea that was the PM’s previous role and wouldn’t have known how to find out.

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 12:50

Zonder · 12/08/2024 22:13

Massively disproved.

It isn’t. The way he has cracked sown on some protesters but not others is storing up problems for the future. I’ve never voted Tory but all this “Adults back in the room” nonsense is just that - nonsense. There is no difference in basic competence between Rishi and keir that I can see.

Deepcalm · 13/08/2024 12:51

I’m not impressed with his inability to define a woman. I am also not impressed by his lack of discussion on female targeted stabbings.
He also appears to have very little compassion for pensioners whose only source of income is the state pension ( there are plenty of pensioners that don’t need the winter fuel payment and I’m not talking about them) and they will be struggling to keep their homes warm this winter

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 12:52

DadJoke · 13/08/2024 12:44

No, He gave people a loan, which they have to pay back,

it was actually Liz Truss government that paid people energy bills. Rishi/Hunt discontinued it after 6 months as it was unaffordable

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 12:54

PuddlesPityParty · 13/08/2024 12:39

I like how many times you edited that. However, what caused the UK energy crisis? I’m not sure that you can say that was a good thing for the people when the mess was caused by his own party and people were still worse off. Try again.

The energy crisis was caused by the resurgence in demand (and struggle to increase supply) post Covid and the war in Ukraine.

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 13:01

stripycats · 13/08/2024 04:51

I think people are minimising the impact of the riots on innocent people living nearby and on the police who had to deal with them. Aside from the attempted murder mentioned above, trying to live your life with flying bricks and burning wheelie bins on the streets and having your community shops smashed up is not a trivial matter at all. Easy to say 'it's only property' when it doesn't affect you.

I agree that Starmer dealt with it very well. Cancelling his holiday and turning up to the relevant meetings was just one example of the contrast with previous incumbents.

But the Jewish community has been terrorized by antisemitic marches for months and no one did anything. And that continues to be the case. So unsurprisingly as my family are too scared to go to the city and worried every time my kid goes to school, I’m none too pleased about Two Tier Keir.

Particularly as some of the alleged “anti racist” rallies were openly shouting and making antisemitic speeches. yet nothing was done about any of that.

Moonmelodies · 13/08/2024 13:09

The response to the 2011 riots was even better - some 3000 people arrested and 2000 charged.
This time however, there are no calls from the left for 'restorative justice' or calls for an official enquiry into 'underlying causes'.

PerfectYear321 · 13/08/2024 13:12

Scammersarescum · 12/08/2024 22:12

He doesn't know what a woman is and that's pretty fucking basic

We didn't get past page one before this comment 😭

PerfectYear321 · 13/08/2024 13:13

Lorelaigilmore88 · 12/08/2024 23:22

Whats the specifics needed? Labour have publicly patted themselves on the back at the fact that these sentences have been sped through so quickly. I don't believe its fair that these particular criminals get fast tracked through so the government can make political capital.

The riots needed to be shut down as soon as possible so of course it's right they were fast tracked

Locutus2000 · 13/08/2024 13:20

User6874356 · 13/08/2024 13:01

But the Jewish community has been terrorized by antisemitic marches for months and no one did anything. And that continues to be the case. So unsurprisingly as my family are too scared to go to the city and worried every time my kid goes to school, I’m none too pleased about Two Tier Keir.

Particularly as some of the alleged “anti racist” rallies were openly shouting and making antisemitic speeches. yet nothing was done about any of that.

There is a significant difference between 'marches' and 'riots'.

That is why the police quite rightly approach them differently.

thecatsthecats · 13/08/2024 14:07

Lorelaigilmore88 · 12/08/2024 22:16

Well he is going to of course come down on these particular rioters like a tonne of bricks isn't he? I am not particularly impressed that they've been sped so speedily through the legal system when victims of much more serious crimes can wait years for justice.

It might not be nice, but it is necessary.

Most ordinary criminals don't cause massive fear, destruction and physical emotional harm on the scale rioters can. Individual ordinary criminal acts can't be deterred in one fell swoop by rapid action.

Adviceneeeeded · 13/08/2024 14:15

@User6874356 what antisemitic marches? There have been pro palestinian marches, as in wanting palestine to be left alone and people not being murdered. It wasn't because they didn't want jewish people here.

But the riots have been to try and hurt and get rid of Muslims and anyone who is classed as a refugee and in some cases those who are not of British heritage.

Also, marches and riots are 2 completely different things. Riots, people are hurt, vandalism occurs and the police have been injured.

Marches are just that, a walk with signs and maybe some speeches.

6gallonsaday · 13/08/2024 14:16

Are you high OP?

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/08/2024 14:21

YANBU @mytuppennyworth. He seems competent, effective and has dealt the riots very well imo.

As a bonus, the racists are raging and the Tories are tetchy as ever.Grin

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/08/2024 14:24

Noname99 · 13/08/2024 14:20

We prosecuting 13 year old now …. but that’s ok because they are all racist scum and Mr Starmer is our hero

13 year charged

It's happening because they were rioting. Doesn't matter why they were rioting. Here we've had an 11yo charged.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8nqmylvy8o