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To feel relieved and optimistic that we finally have a PM who knows something about something

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mytuppennyworth · 12/08/2024 22:05

So impressed to see the speed rioters are being dealt with. We have someone at the helm who knows something about the law. As opposed to the series of buffoons we have had in recent years who literally don't know how to pay for something in a petrol station, let alone how to manage a pandemic. And the worst of it was they were so thick they didn't even know that they didn't know.

I think Starmer knows what he knows, if you get my meaning -he has his areas of expertise, and will know when he needs to refer to someone else's area of expertise.

I feel more optimistic now than I have done for a very long time

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KenAdams · 12/08/2024 23:44

Lorelaigilmore88 · 12/08/2024 23:31

Yes because i was never contrasting a murder trial with the rioters in my original comment. Murder trials make up a very small percentage of trials at court, plenty of trails at the other end of the spectrum will have been leap frogged over for the rioters and i think that is wrong.

Serious sexual offences then? Armed robbery?

You don't understand the criminal justice system at all, as predicted. You're just spouting soundbites.

There's no need to wait to sentence people who have admitted these offences. There's a whole host of reasons why trials (because the defendant has pleaded not guilty) take much longer to work their way through the system than a guilty plea for one of these offences.

Livelovebehappy · 12/08/2024 23:49

Far too early to be singing his praises. It’s been little over a month. I agree he has dealt with the riot situation well, but I want to know how he’ll deal with all the other pressing big issues. Stopping the pensioners’ cold weather payments wasn’t high on anyones priorities.

rayofsunshine86 · 12/08/2024 23:56

He's only been in power for a month but I am not a fan of his approach to thoughtcrime on the internet.

hamstersarse · 13/08/2024 00:01

tennesseewhiskey1 · 12/08/2024 23:28

This isn’t the first thread about exactly the same topic …..

Almost identical

I don’t see what people are seeing in him

He always looks slightly startled before he starts his monotone practised lines

EmeraldRoulette · 13/08/2024 00:07

rayofsunshine86 · 12/08/2024 23:56

He's only been in power for a month but I am not a fan of his approach to thoughtcrime on the internet.

How so?

Jumpingthruhoops · 13/08/2024 00:13

snowlady4 · 12/08/2024 22:41

Absolutely. Nothing to be impressed by tbh

This! 👏👏

Jumpingthruhoops · 13/08/2024 00:18

So Kier's done well in clamping down on the rioters because he has friends in high places!?

If the Tories had done this, they would have been totally called out. But now it's Labour, it's OK...? Hmm, alrighty then...

I actually think he's stoked further division in a country that really needs unity at this time. He's not a leader at all.

IamJessicaHyde · 13/08/2024 00:34

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mytuppennyworth · 13/08/2024 04:14

SloaneStreetVandal · 12/08/2024 22:44

Sunak was neither thick nor a buffoon.

Starmer needs to be in the job for at least a year before any performance review can be given.

Sunak is so ignorant he doesn't even realise how ignorant he is. That counts as thick in my book.

Sunak tried to make himself look normal by paying for petrol with a debit card and couldn't work out how to do it because he had never had to do anything like it in his life

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leafybrew · 13/08/2024 04:30

Confusedtrumpet · 12/08/2024 22:46

Money and property are valued more than life. The justice system has always been the same.

Really? What about the 'protesters' who tried to set fire to a hotel with people in it? Surely that's attempted murder and arson.

leafybrew · 13/08/2024 04:35

If the Tories had done this, they would have been totally called out

Yeah right. The Tories were never called out - that was like a whole thing. Allowed to bleed the country dry, lining their own pockets during the pandemic. Have a read about Michelle Mone...

Plus what needs calling out? Would it be better not to have swift justice and more riots on the streets?

Recool · 13/08/2024 04:44

It is Keir. The letter e comes before the i.

The taught rule in English is usually to have the i before the e in words, except after c. Hence so many make the mistake.

But his name is spelt Keir.

SeatonCarew · 13/08/2024 04:46

He's good at stealing the winter fuel allowance from pensioners. No shilly shallying there, straight in.

Strangerthanfictions · 13/08/2024 04:50

SloaneStreetVandal · 12/08/2024 22:44

Sunak was neither thick nor a buffoon.

Starmer needs to be in the job for at least a year before any performance review can be given.

Well he did such a good impression it was scary. I don't doubt sunak had economic expertise but some of his speeches and interviews as PM showed a total lack of gumption. If someone can't think on their feet and string together a coherent reasonable answer under pressure do I really want them running the country and representing us intentionally. Nah. I think Kier does seem more adult in a way we haven't experienced since Cameron, and if I'm being very generous, in small flashes with Theresa. The rest have been like kids running the show, embarrassing and utterly lacking in command

stripycats · 13/08/2024 04:51

I think people are minimising the impact of the riots on innocent people living nearby and on the police who had to deal with them. Aside from the attempted murder mentioned above, trying to live your life with flying bricks and burning wheelie bins on the streets and having your community shops smashed up is not a trivial matter at all. Easy to say 'it's only property' when it doesn't affect you.

I agree that Starmer dealt with it very well. Cancelling his holiday and turning up to the relevant meetings was just one example of the contrast with previous incumbents.

OnAndOnAndonAgain · 13/08/2024 04:54

Lorelaigilmore88 · 12/08/2024 23:13

And where did I talk about murder trial in post? Please dont try and over dramatise to make a point. These people have been sentenced within a fortnight, that is much quicker than plenty of other more serious crimes that have been queuing in the system.

Most of the cases didn't go to trial, they've been sentences after pleading guilty in the magistrates court or if more serious been committed to Crown Court for sentencing, or have entered guilty pleas in crowm court all of which happen quickly

This happens all the time with these sort of crimes

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 13/08/2024 04:57

SloaneStreetVandal · 12/08/2024 22:44

Sunak was neither thick nor a buffoon.

Starmer needs to be in the job for at least a year before any performance review can be given.

…and totally out of touch as he didn’t have sky tv and said it out loud.

plumvioletrose · 13/08/2024 05:07

HauntedbyMagpies · 12/08/2024 23:35

I agree. If the rioters hadn't been dealt with in the way they were, the far right/conservative voters would be having a field day with criticisms at the lack of action etc. Yet here we have rioters charged, convicted & sentenced within a week and what a surprise! It's still not good enough! "Two tier Kier" gets trotted out. This is definitely a case of them being unable to win no matter what they do.

...the far right/conservative voters

You place conservative voter in the the same breath as the far right extremists.

How insulting and so thoroughly typical of the modern Labour supporter.

No room in the world for any viewpoint that does not align exactly with your own.

I welcomed the news of the victory of the Labour Party. I think now that I should not have done so, not when their supporters are so clearly filled with hate for anyone who is even slightly to the right of them in political thought.

SloaneStreetVandal · 13/08/2024 05:18

Strangerthanfictions · 13/08/2024 04:50

Well he did such a good impression it was scary. I don't doubt sunak had economic expertise but some of his speeches and interviews as PM showed a total lack of gumption. If someone can't think on their feet and string together a coherent reasonable answer under pressure do I really want them running the country and representing us intentionally. Nah. I think Kier does seem more adult in a way we haven't experienced since Cameron, and if I'm being very generous, in small flashes with Theresa. The rest have been like kids running the show, embarrassing and utterly lacking in command

I think Sunak did very well in the televised debates. And his warnings from those debates will prove founded (as they did with Truss).

He was routinely being judged on his personal circumstance, there was a great deal of cattiness in terms of his wife's wealth. I think he got more and more frustrated with the loaded questions and approach in interviews.

Mercurial123 · 13/08/2024 05:39

LakelandDreams · 12/08/2024 22:10

Two tier Kier is aptly named.

It's becoming more like the Daily Mail comments section on here.

PuddlesPityParty · 13/08/2024 05:41

SloaneStreetVandal · 13/08/2024 05:18

I think Sunak did very well in the televised debates. And his warnings from those debates will prove founded (as they did with Truss).

He was routinely being judged on his personal circumstance, there was a great deal of cattiness in terms of his wife's wealth. I think he got more and more frustrated with the loaded questions and approach in interviews.

What one good thing for the majority of the country did Sunak do as PM? & since you can clearly see into the future, what’s the next set for life numbers please?

Philandbill · 13/08/2024 05:44

SloaneStreetVandal · 13/08/2024 05:18

I think Sunak did very well in the televised debates. And his warnings from those debates will prove founded (as they did with Truss).

He was routinely being judged on his personal circumstance, there was a great deal of cattiness in terms of his wife's wealth. I think he got more and more frustrated with the loaded questions and approach in interviews.

I didn't judge him on his personal circumstances. I judged the state of this country after fourteen years of Tory mismanagement. And I also voted to re-elect our local MP who is an excellent representative in parliament and who fights for this constituency.

StuckOnTheCeiling · 13/08/2024 07:22

Womanontop · 12/08/2024 23:26

Are you joking...the riots were August 2011 and by midday 12 October a total of 1,984 defendants had arrived at court for an initial hearing.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06099/

And who was head of the CPS at the time? I’ll save you the google, it was Keir Starmer.

Zonder · 13/08/2024 07:34

SloaneStreetVandal · 13/08/2024 05:18

I think Sunak did very well in the televised debates. And his warnings from those debates will prove founded (as they did with Truss).

He was routinely being judged on his personal circumstance, there was a great deal of cattiness in terms of his wife's wealth. I think he got more and more frustrated with the loaded questions and approach in interviews.

The issue is that he was judged by people online, but he and his colleagues got away with so much because there was nobody official holding them to account most of the time.

noblegiraffe · 13/08/2024 07:39

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