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To feel relieved and optimistic that we finally have a PM who knows something about something

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mytuppennyworth · 12/08/2024 22:05

So impressed to see the speed rioters are being dealt with. We have someone at the helm who knows something about the law. As opposed to the series of buffoons we have had in recent years who literally don't know how to pay for something in a petrol station, let alone how to manage a pandemic. And the worst of it was they were so thick they didn't even know that they didn't know.

I think Starmer knows what he knows, if you get my meaning -he has his areas of expertise, and will know when he needs to refer to someone else's area of expertise.

I feel more optimistic now than I have done for a very long time

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Omeleto2024 · 16/08/2024 17:56

Why do you say that?

Can you be specific please?

What was the point of you asking this question?

TooBigForMyBoots · 16/08/2024 17:57

Poopooandpepe · 16/08/2024 14:53

Funny how those kind of threads have dried up since the Tory defeat ?

Well the PM has clarified that Misgendering is not a crime and will not become one.
https://www.christian.org.uk/news/govt-has-no-plans-to-make-misgendering-a-hate-crime/

And the Health Minister is pushing ahead with his restrictions on the use puberty blockers.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/wes-streetings-puberty-blocker-ban-makes-sense/

It's a sharp contrast to the last Tory government who influcted the trans shitshow upon women and a generation of children.Angry

Govt has no plans to make 'misgendering' a hate crime

The UK Government has confirmed that it does not intend to criminalise people who affirm a gender-confused person’s biological sex.

https://www.christian.org.uk/news/govt-has-no-plans-to-make-misgendering-a-hate-crime

Rummly · 16/08/2024 18:03

PuddlesPityParty · 16/08/2024 17:51

Coz you can’t 😘

Coz you don’t get the stupidity of asking people to prove negatives.

🙄

TooBigForMyBoots · 16/08/2024 18:15

edwinbear · 16/08/2024 14:58

Well, Louise Haigh looks like a complete numpty now the train drivers have announced fresh strikes this afternoon.

🤦‍♀️

PuddlesPityParty · 16/08/2024 18:52

Rummly · 16/08/2024 18:03

Coz you don’t get the stupidity of asking people to prove negatives.

🙄

I’m asking you to show evidence of what the truth was? I’m not asking for a negative. Sorry if questioning your blind beliefs made your head hurt. ffs.

Edited to add, rich of you to be talking about stupidity 🧍‍♀️

Rummly · 16/08/2024 18:55

PuddlesPityParty · 16/08/2024 18:52

I’m asking you to show evidence of what the truth was? I’m not asking for a negative. Sorry if questioning your blind beliefs made your head hurt. ffs.

Edited to add, rich of you to be talking about stupidity 🧍‍♀️

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You really don’t understand, do you?

User8646382 · 16/08/2024 21:23

pointythings · 16/08/2024 15:25

Look at it from the organisation's point of view. It is better for a ward or team if posts are filled with permanent staff. Continuity of care leads to
better clinical outcomes and fewer errors. It also costs less. So making it more attractive to take a permanent post makes sense in all ways: fiscally and clinically. I don't know any medical or nursing staff who would rather do bank or agency only than work a permanent job- they do work bank or agency in addition to their contracted hours though.

Pay people properly and everyone wins.

Here’s the thing. I own a nursery. My staff are wonderful. The nursery is in London, so most of them are immigrants. They are hard working, kind to the children and loyal. I would love to pay them more, but the reality is, I would have to charge the parents higher fees and no one would be able to afford to send their children to nursery.

Money, outside the public sector, does not grow on magic trees. Businesses can only pay their staff a proportion (in reality, most) of what comes in. I appreciate you are talking about the NHS, which appears to operate without any budgetary restraint, but in the real world, limitless money just isn’t there to pay people ‘properly’.

PuddlesPityParty · 16/08/2024 21:46

Rummly · 16/08/2024 18:55

You really don’t understand, do you?

No. I think you don’t. I’m asking you to show me what the truth is? What did happen? I’d really like to know. But you need to show evidence.

I’m not sure why that would be so hard for you, if it were true. But it’s not true.

And here lies the issue. You clearly can’t evidence what you’re saying yet you’ll sit here and shout and yell nothingness. You’re not convincing anyone except yourself.

noblegiraffe · 16/08/2024 21:54

User8646382 · 16/08/2024 21:23

Here’s the thing. I own a nursery. My staff are wonderful. The nursery is in London, so most of them are immigrants. They are hard working, kind to the children and loyal. I would love to pay them more, but the reality is, I would have to charge the parents higher fees and no one would be able to afford to send their children to nursery.

Money, outside the public sector, does not grow on magic trees. Businesses can only pay their staff a proportion (in reality, most) of what comes in. I appreciate you are talking about the NHS, which appears to operate without any budgetary restraint, but in the real world, limitless money just isn’t there to pay people ‘properly’.

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"real world"

To feel relieved and optimistic that we finally have a PM who knows something about something
pointythings · 16/08/2024 21:56

User8646382 · 16/08/2024 21:23

Here’s the thing. I own a nursery. My staff are wonderful. The nursery is in London, so most of them are immigrants. They are hard working, kind to the children and loyal. I would love to pay them more, but the reality is, I would have to charge the parents higher fees and no one would be able to afford to send their children to nursery.

Money, outside the public sector, does not grow on magic trees. Businesses can only pay their staff a proportion (in reality, most) of what comes in. I appreciate you are talking about the NHS, which appears to operate without any budgetary restraint, but in the real world, limitless money just isn’t there to pay people ‘properly’.

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So what do you want to happen?

Option 1: We end the NHS model. There are insurance based models which work - I come from a country which has one. It's imperfect, but it isn't the US.
Option 2: We don't pay NHS staff enough that they want to work in the NHS. They have marketable skills which are desirable in other countries, so they leave. NZ, Australia and Canada are delighted. Us, not so much - we end up spending triple or quadruple on our nurses because they're bank or agency, and that's what they cost.
Option 3: We acknowledge that good staff cost money and pay them enough to want to stay.

Your nursery is a business - and by the way, there are countries where nursery provision is both extremely affordable for parents AND very well paid for staff. Other models besides free market capitalism are available.

BTW the NHS absolutely does have budgetary constraints. Only someone clueless would think it doesn't.

User8646382 · 16/08/2024 22:28

What do I want to happen? Well, it would be great if funding rates were realistic, but I can’t imagine there will be much money left after the teachers, doctors, nurses, police and the rest of the public sector has been paid off. Not to mention the train drivers.

Where is all this money coming from?

pointythings · 16/08/2024 22:30

User8646382 · 16/08/2024 22:28

What do I want to happen? Well, it would be great if funding rates were realistic, but I can’t imagine there will be much money left after the teachers, doctors, nurses, police and the rest of the public sector has been paid off. Not to mention the train drivers.

Where is all this money coming from?

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Well, the economy is growing faster than expected so that's good. It's a shame a certain Jeremy with the dodgy surname handed out tax cuts when that money could have been invested in, say, public services...

Rummly · 17/08/2024 01:30

PuddlesPityParty · 16/08/2024 21:46

No. I think you don’t. I’m asking you to show me what the truth is? What did happen? I’d really like to know. But you need to show evidence.

I’m not sure why that would be so hard for you, if it were true. But it’s not true.

And here lies the issue. You clearly can’t evidence what you’re saying yet you’ll sit here and shout and yell nothingness. You’re not convincing anyone except yourself.

You want to me to show you the lawfulness of government contracts? What is it that you don’t understand about the ludicrousness of that?

Zonder · 17/08/2024 08:46

Here’s the thing. I own a nursery.

Do you make any money out of privately owning a nursery?

User8646382 · 17/08/2024 09:00

Zonder · 17/08/2024 08:46

Here’s the thing. I own a nursery.

Do you make any money out of privately owning a nursery?

A bit. It’s not exactly commensurate with the work that goes into it. It’s a very, very hard job with a lot of responsibility.

PuddlesPityParty · 17/08/2024 09:26

Rummly · 17/08/2024 01:30

You want to me to show you the lawfulness of government contracts? What is it that you don’t understand about the ludicrousness of that?

No I don’t. An article or a gov report laying it out will suffice. I only need the details of the contract, I can use my critical thinking skills then.

You’re an actual joke if you think something as simple as the above is “ludicrousness”.

Rummly · 17/08/2024 09:48

PuddlesPityParty · 17/08/2024 09:26

No I don’t. An article or a gov report laying it out will suffice. I only need the details of the contract, I can use my critical thinking skills then.

You’re an actual joke if you think something as simple as the above is “ludicrousness”.

I think you genuinely don’t understand. I’m sorry about that.

With your critical thinking skills why don’t you go back to my post that you first quoted and re-read it.

PuddlesPityParty · 17/08/2024 09:52

Rummly · 17/08/2024 09:48

I think you genuinely don’t understand. I’m sorry about that.

With your critical thinking skills why don’t you go back to my post that you first quoted and re-read it.

What don’t I understand?

All you have to do is find a gov report on the contract and show it do me. It will show the tender process and how it was fair and open, if it was.

If anyone doesn’t understand it’s you. Sorry but you’re boring me now. You are wrong. Just admit it, even if privately to yourself, and move on.

Rummly · 17/08/2024 09:53

PuddlesPityParty · 17/08/2024 09:52

What don’t I understand?

All you have to do is find a gov report on the contract and show it do me. It will show the tender process and how it was fair and open, if it was.

If anyone doesn’t understand it’s you. Sorry but you’re boring me now. You are wrong. Just admit it, even if privately to yourself, and move on.

Have you re-read my post? If so, what report does it refer to?

Zonder · 17/08/2024 10:01

User8646382 · 17/08/2024 09:00

A bit. It’s not exactly commensurate with the work that goes into it. It’s a very, very hard job with a lot of responsibility.

Do you not pay yourself a salary for your work?

PuddlesPityParty · 17/08/2024 10:09

Rummly · 17/08/2024 09:53

Have you re-read my post? If so, what report does it refer to?

Yeah - link it then thanks. The ones I see don’t show fair and open competition and do not show that more than one procurer was explored or were allowed to submit rival bids. Show me one that says that 👍

Rummly · 17/08/2024 10:14

PuddlesPityParty · 17/08/2024 10:09

Yeah - link it then thanks. The ones I see don’t show fair and open competition and do not show that more than one procurer was explored or were allowed to submit rival bids. Show me one that says that 👍

Government corruption. You want me to prove to you the absence of government corruption.

You’ve now started talking about the open market and value for money.

🤦‍♀️

Zonder · 17/08/2024 12:21

Sometimes it's just not worth it @Rummly

pointythings · 17/08/2024 13:52

@Rummly there must be records of those procurement processes if they were done properly, but I'm not at all sure it's worthwhile chasing after them. After all, if NHS procurement can be shit (and believe me, it is!), then so can government procurement.

User8646382 · 17/08/2024 15:46

Zonder · 17/08/2024 10:01

Do you not pay yourself a salary for your work?

I do when I can afford to. I have to prioritise paying the staff.

It’s very difficult running a nursery. A lot of the parents don’t view their childcare fees as a priority (they think nursery should be free) and so the money tends to come in in dribs and drabs. You can’t even deal with persistent late payers effectively because they instantly play the victim and say something like, “I’m doing my best.” It’s not like other businesses where you can be ruthless - you’re dealing with vulnerable families and kids.

And then a lot of the income comes from the local authority, who are 1) not quick to pay and 2) prone to making serious miscalculations. Every payment that comes in (when it eventually comes in - usually 4-9 months after the service has been provided) is generally a few thousand less than it should be. You have to scrutinise everything and literally fight with the local authority to get the money that you are legitimately owed.

The local authority will also take the side of the persistently late and non-payers on the majority of occasions, and then you have to hear the same rubbish from them, i.e., the parents are “doing their best”. When you point out that the parents are claiming the money from Universal Credit, they will say, “Well, times are hard. Perhaps they are struggling.” LOL - tell me about it.

But no matter what, the staff have to get paid. So sometimes I get paid and sometimes I don’t. But I limp on thinking that one day I will sell the business.

It’s not for the faint hearted.

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