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To feel relieved and optimistic that we finally have a PM who knows something about something

302 replies

mytuppennyworth · 12/08/2024 22:05

So impressed to see the speed rioters are being dealt with. We have someone at the helm who knows something about the law. As opposed to the series of buffoons we have had in recent years who literally don't know how to pay for something in a petrol station, let alone how to manage a pandemic. And the worst of it was they were so thick they didn't even know that they didn't know.

I think Starmer knows what he knows, if you get my meaning -he has his areas of expertise, and will know when he needs to refer to someone else's area of expertise.

I feel more optimistic now than I have done for a very long time

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/08/2024 22:20

Absolutely 100 % agree with you OP.

Totallymessed · 13/08/2024 22:26

PuddlesPityParty · 13/08/2024 17:22

Could you be a bit more hyperbolic I can’t quite tell your feelings? Pensioners who need to need to sign up for tax credit - many aren’t and that’s the issue. I’m sorry but just because you are a pensioner doesn’t just give you the right to have auto-money. I think give WASPI time. It’s not top of the list unfortunately.

That's not the problem, the problem is that there's a strict cut off point - if you qualify for pension credit, you get the allowance, if you get just a couple of pounds more, you don't. There are plenty of pensioners who can afford to do without it ( like my DF and his partner tbh), but there will also be many pensioners on low incomes who will really struggle.

User6874356 · 14/08/2024 00:06

Zonder · 13/08/2024 15:44

I have to disagree with you there. There have also been people on the other side arrested and charged. The labour councillor shouting about cutting throats is one example.

Of course there may be fewer arrests on the left than right for other reasons... I'll let you try and work that one out.

there have been little to no arrests of leftist/Islamist groups despite their speech and actions online and in public being just as bad if not worse than the right wing groups. I’m part of neither but it looks like favoritism to me and certainly to them.

User6874356 · 14/08/2024 00:08

PuddlesPityParty · 13/08/2024 17:15

It was worse here because of Tory policy. Google it.

How so? That’s your opinion not something I can Google.

Upupandaway10 · 14/08/2024 00:57

mytuppennyworth · 12/08/2024 22:05

So impressed to see the speed rioters are being dealt with. We have someone at the helm who knows something about the law. As opposed to the series of buffoons we have had in recent years who literally don't know how to pay for something in a petrol station, let alone how to manage a pandemic. And the worst of it was they were so thick they didn't even know that they didn't know.

I think Starmer knows what he knows, if you get my meaning -he has his areas of expertise, and will know when he needs to refer to someone else's area of expertise.

I feel more optimistic now than I have done for a very long time

That's great they are prosecuting rioters at such an unbelievable fast pace. How about other crime and criminals like burglars, knife crime, murderers, rapists, violent offenders. Will the police be as thorough and fast catching these criminals?

LightFull · 14/08/2024 02:27

I agree OP 100%

Feels like we suddenly have actual grown ups leading the country

Zonder · 14/08/2024 07:35

User6874356 · 14/08/2024 00:06

there have been little to no arrests of leftist/Islamist groups despite their speech and actions online and in public being just as bad if not worse than the right wing groups. I’m part of neither but it looks like favoritism to me and certainly to them.

Firstly, did you miss the pretty high profile news story of the arrest of Ricky Jones?

Secondly arrests were made at some pro Palestine marches, just not of the same order of magnitude as the recent far right protests. Can you think of a reason for that apart from two tier policing?

It's like saying Fred gets lots of detentions in school but George gets none, therefore there must be a two tier behaviour policy. Or could it be that Fred behaves worse than George? Hmm.

Zonder · 14/08/2024 07:36

Upupandaway10 · 14/08/2024 00:57

That's great they are prosecuting rioters at such an unbelievable fast pace. How about other crime and criminals like burglars, knife crime, murderers, rapists, violent offenders. Will the police be as thorough and fast catching these criminals?

Blimey give them time. How many weeks into the new government are we? It will take a while to recruit enough police to get numbers back up to pre Tory times.

User6874356 · 14/08/2024 12:20

Zonder · 14/08/2024 07:35

Firstly, did you miss the pretty high profile news story of the arrest of Ricky Jones?

Secondly arrests were made at some pro Palestine marches, just not of the same order of magnitude as the recent far right protests. Can you think of a reason for that apart from two tier policing?

It's like saying Fred gets lots of detentions in school but George gets none, therefore there must be a two tier behaviour policy. Or could it be that Fred behaves worse than George? Hmm.

Except we’ve seen videos of horrendous racist behaviour at antisemitic rallies where the perpetrators are clearly identifiable and even violence. Yet nothing is done. The knife attacker who carried out an antisemitic attack on a kosher supermarket shouting race hate didn’t even get prison time.

There is a whole host of evidence showing appalling behaviour towards the Jewish community which goes unpunished or (usually) unprosecuted. Objectively far worse than the prosecutions we have seen so far for the “far right” riots.

it looks like two tier policing to us. maybe you think the behaviour is not as bad because you don’t think racism and violence towards jewish people is as important as if it’s towards other groups? Because certainly objectively it’s not any different.

User6874356 · 14/08/2024 12:27

Zonder · 14/08/2024 07:35

Firstly, did you miss the pretty high profile news story of the arrest of Ricky Jones?

Secondly arrests were made at some pro Palestine marches, just not of the same order of magnitude as the recent far right protests. Can you think of a reason for that apart from two tier policing?

It's like saying Fred gets lots of detentions in school but George gets none, therefore there must be a two tier behaviour policy. Or could it be that Fred behaves worse than George? Hmm.

And Ricky Jones was only arrested after the video of him encouraging murder went viral and huge pressure was put on the government. A whole host of others have not.

noblegiraffe · 14/08/2024 12:29

Loads of people are only arrested after videos of them go viral on the internet. It's how the police identify a lot of the people involved.

Zonder · 14/08/2024 14:04

User6874356 · 14/08/2024 12:20

Except we’ve seen videos of horrendous racist behaviour at antisemitic rallies where the perpetrators are clearly identifiable and even violence. Yet nothing is done. The knife attacker who carried out an antisemitic attack on a kosher supermarket shouting race hate didn’t even get prison time.

There is a whole host of evidence showing appalling behaviour towards the Jewish community which goes unpunished or (usually) unprosecuted. Objectively far worse than the prosecutions we have seen so far for the “far right” riots.

it looks like two tier policing to us. maybe you think the behaviour is not as bad because you don’t think racism and violence towards jewish people is as important as if it’s towards other groups? Because certainly objectively it’s not any different.

maybe you think the behaviour is not as bad because you don’t think racism and violence towards jewish people is as important as if it’s towards other groups?

Wow! I'll just leave you there in your fantasy land of projection.

OnAndOnAndonAgain · 14/08/2024 17:53

CHEESEY13 · 13/08/2024 15:52

Sir Keir seems to have at least two brain cells to rub together, unlike any of the last lot BUT I won't forgive Rachel Reeve for deleting the Winter Fuel Allowance and kicking pensioners in the teeth with both feet plus pretending the WASPI's don't exist and have duly cancelled my Labour Party membership.

Why shouldn't winter fuel allowance be means tested? All other benifits are

Zonder · 14/08/2024 18:54

OnAndOnAndonAgain · 14/08/2024 17:53

Why shouldn't winter fuel allowance be means tested? All other benifits are

This. It's being presented as if all pensioners will lose out.

KnittyNell · 14/08/2024 19:49

I can’t stand Labour, they haven’t wasted any time in getting rid of the winter fuel allowance for pensioners. They disgust me.

PuddlesPityParty · 14/08/2024 19:55

User6874356 · 14/08/2024 00:08

How so? That’s your opinion not something I can Google.

Okay miss too-lazy-to-Google.

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Lack of green policy and over reliance on gas & fossil fuels. Led by Tory policy. We are paying more than most EU countries. You’re welcome. So no, not opinion, but fact.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson tours the site of Hinkley Point C

Why high UK energy bills were decades in the making - BBC News

Former energy ministers and experts highlight mistakes they say are partly to blame for steep bills.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63477214.amp

PuddlesPityParty · 14/08/2024 19:56

Zonder · 14/08/2024 18:54

This. It's being presented as if all pensioners will lose out.

Exactly.

PuddlesPityParty · 14/08/2024 19:57

Totallymessed · 13/08/2024 22:26

That's not the problem, the problem is that there's a strict cut off point - if you qualify for pension credit, you get the allowance, if you get just a couple of pounds more, you don't. There are plenty of pensioners who can afford to do without it ( like my DF and his partner tbh), but there will also be many pensioners on low incomes who will really struggle.

That’s where the line is drawn though. It has to be drawn somewhere, as is the same with all benefits. Pensioners get quite a lot whilst the young are left to suffer. I don’t wish ill on anyone and of course people deserve good retirements, but they have been handed a lot on a gold platter by the tories to secure their votes.

newnamethanks · 14/08/2024 19:59

Yes. YANBU OP.

Catlover1705 · 14/08/2024 20:10

I want to like him but I'm not impressed so far. I thought the removal of fuel payments was done very unsympathetically. I'm worried about his future plans as he didn't give a toss about our pensioners.

OnAndOnAndonAgain · 14/08/2024 20:52

Wasn't it the Tory government that stopped payment of widowed parents allowance until children turn 18?

They now get it for about 18 months , that in my book is far worse than means testing winter fuel allowance

Maray1967 · 14/08/2024 20:56

LakelandDreams · 12/08/2024 22:10

Two tier Kier is aptly named.

Rubbish!!

OnAndOnAndonAgain · 14/08/2024 20:59

Oh, and let's not forget carers allowance. Classed as income in regards to UC so they take it off you, but classed as a means tested benefit the minute you start working 🙄

nextdoorconundrum · 14/08/2024 21:11

I'm a carer but still think he is excellent.. obviously would like better wages for 85 hours work a week than £81.90 ...

... but compared with the last lot of pocket lining grifters .. I say actually ' so fat so good !

OnAndOnAndonAgain · 14/08/2024 21:14

nextdoorconundrum · 14/08/2024 21:11

I'm a carer but still think he is excellent.. obviously would like better wages for 85 hours work a week than £81.90 ...

... but compared with the last lot of pocket lining grifters .. I say actually ' so fat so good !

Well it isn't him that set the carers allowance rules was it, that was the last lot