TW - Upsetting information: XL Bully attack *edited by MNHQ

[Citylightsarebright]

Another xl bully attack, this time it was in my home town last week.
An xl bully ran out of the house down the road and attacked the nearest dog it saw a little dauchshund ripping both its legs off, it took 4 men and two women to get the xl bully off the other dog. The other little dog is alive thanks to the bravery of other people there at the time , however it had to have both legs ( what was left of them ) amputated.
Its extremely sad. The owner of the dauchshund is an elderly lady who was out walking the little dog ans she is utterly traumatised as expected.
The dog has been seized and owners will be prosecuted we have been told.
The reason I'm posting this is because I feel prosecution and dog being seized hasnt really solved anything has it? What is being done to prevent what happened in the first place? Nothing?? These dogs are still attacking / killing animals and children/ adults
Am I being unreasonable in thinking enough isnt being done to get rid of these hurrendous dogs?????

In the Midlands a.man was killed by an xl when he tried to.stop it killing his dog. They are just too strong and seem to be all owned by idiots who can't or wo t control them.

Yes, I can see what you’re saying (not sure the need for the laughing emojis, not sure it’s that funny a subject) and I agree with what your saying.

Believe me, I would euthanise them all although it’s a huge taboo to say that. I don’t think I’ve met one I’ve trusted to be honest and almost every one has danger markers the owners don’t notice. But on the other hand there’s another huge amount of XL bully owners whose dogs are showing aggression or have attacked who don’t euthanise. also those who still refuse to neuter or follow the law. These are the ones that run away from incidents or hide the dogs or excuse the behaviour.

So yes, in a fucked up way it is the responsible ones euthanising.

No, the problem is the breed.

Of course owners have a role to play with any dog but the whole point is that this would never have happened with two daschunds. Or. Lab. Or even the crackpot untrained border terrorist that lives on my road and has got away with attacking other dogs for years because he can't physically do that much damage (although he believes he can). He's on a muzzle etc now.

Humans do not have full control or dominion over animals despite some enjoying this delusion, and some breeds/ species are more suitable as pets than others. This breed has proved itself dangerous and that's all there is to it so more needs to be done.

@Enchantedlilypad I agree my SIL had (he was recently put to sleep) a Staff he was a fab dog and extremely friendly and loving but only to people, if he saw another dog it was a different story and he would instantly become aggressive. SIL was a good responsible owner and had the Staff since he was a tiny pup, she tried to socialise him but quickly realised he could not be around other dogs so he was always kept on a lead and she would check that my dog wasn't around if she was bringing him with her to visit other family members. We knew he was at the end of his life when she turned up with her Staff not knowing I was visiting a relative and he didn't even acknowledge my dog was there. It isn't the owner it's the dog and you cannot have a dog that is bred for aggression and expect it to behave any differently.

These dogs give off a similar physical vibe to racehorses. You know when you have seen ponies in a field, maybe been allowed to give one an apple… ah, sweet.

Then a racehorse gallops by, with sinew, muscle and veins bulging. The ground vibrates under their hooves and you feel them pass and thank god you weren’t in the way! Massive muscular beasts that make ponies look like sheep.

That’s the feel I get from XLs, but with carnivore teeth and aggression added in!

All of those demons should be killed.

Recently I have met 5 XL bully’s - they have all been absolute softies. Honestly even I was shocked.

I have also recently met several other medium size dogs with more aggression than you can shake a stick at. Whilst yes they might/might not cause as much damage they will certainly cause some serious damage if they bite.

Genetics and poor ownership have a lot to blame in this.

It will have been hushed up against the background of rioting.

The last thing the police need is a mob of people seeking out these dogs although unless something is done soon, that is what will be needed.

I agree that a program of mass euthanasia needs to be put in place, sad as that is for a large percentage of them that would barely bite a good dinner.

The thing is, most dogs are softies. Until they aren’t.

Well the SNP didn't want to bring anything in at all until they had to because everyone started shipping their dogs up to Scotland.

Are you relally as obtuse as you make yourself look?

Stupid irresponsible people will always exist. So isn't it time to prevent them from indulging in a particularly dangerous form of irresponsibility by an outright ban?

They are not suitable for pets, but it is generally bad owners that allow these things to happen.

Intrusive thoughts are you problem though, maybe get some help for that.

Er no. Why would ignore the breed?

I regularly still see unmuzzled xl bullies out and about. I’m in a big city so no idea who the owners are to report them, I would if I could. 9 times out of 10, they’re straining at the lead and the owner is struggling to hold onto them. And that’s just walking them. If the dog spotted someone or something they wanted to go for, the owner wouldn’t stand a chance trying to stop them.

It makes me really angry. I don’t think anyone should own these dogs but if you’re going to then at least muzzle them in public. Not because it’s the law even, but because it’s the right thing to do. Clearly these owners can’t be trusted to do the right thing, so I’m at the point where I think all xl’s need to be euthanised.

Oh do piss.

Are you allowed to share the Just giving page?

Exactly. And it's not blaming dogs to say the breed is an issue. We humans have bred them into being aggressive, huge fighting machines and so have set these animals up to fail. It's cruel and irresponsible. Of course they then eventually follow their instincts and attack what they see as prey - and they're so strong the outcomes are disastrous.

They can only report what they know about.
....Just a suggestion! Our local paper has an anonymous email in option....

Was that in Ireland?
We saw one sat on its own inside a van looking very menacing and the owner was nowhere to be seen. The breed needs to be banned over here asap.

You're supposed to have a dog licence in Ireland and for all dogs to be chipped but the number of dogs found wandering and brought to the local rescues with no chip is disgraceful. Often, the dog has escaped from the garden or been let out to do its own walkies (!!) and the owner retrieves them, but they still don’t get them chipped.

I saw one up close recently in a house I was conducting an appointment in. It was in a cage and it was huge and scary looking. The house had small children and a newborn so I reported it.

I'm sure some lions and tigers are 'absolute softies' according to their own owners. But we don't keep the as family pets.

Even if we eradicated these dogs there would be a replacement, so we need to look at the whole picture of why this happens.

In an ideal world I'd like to see a licence required to own any dog. I say any dog because I want to see an end not only in attacks but also anti-social behaviour eg barking, and cruelty caused by ignorance. There are a huge number of well-meaning but seemingly clueless dog owners around it's staggering. To gain the licence you have to pass an exam on dog behaviour, including recognising danger signals, and dog training, dog care (eg the mental and physical requirements of different types of dogs), and expected costs of dog ownership.

I'd also like a ban on all dog breeding without a licence for similar reasons, and also to try and cut down on the thousands of poor dogs in rescue centres. To breed, one should pass an exam on genetic issues, bloodlines, etc. Before each litter you'd also have to justify why you want to breed that sire with that dam and prove it's in the best interests of the pups. You'd also need to prove you have a waiting list for the pups.

We also need to look at society, and address why certain types of people are drawn to certain breeds. Deal with the underlying causes of what drives the desire to have status dogs. Really look at the bigger picture and deal with the root causes.

Of course none of this will happen because it would be a huge undertaking, and it won't cure every problem, but unless we do it's akin to sticking plasters over a wound that needs stitching.

I'm wondering if this is the same dog in a work van that would be parked on my driveway at my old house (without permission, I might add) as the description is spot on.

A handful of times I'd be leaving for work and met with the most ghastly looking XL bully thing sitting in the van, window ajar, 2-3 metres from my front door. Cropped ears. It looked like something from a nightmare.

Are you in south east London by any chance? @time2changeCharlieBrown

It IS the breed. This is not an upbringing issue. These dogs can't stay sane.