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TW - Upsetting information: XL Bully attack *edited by MNHQ

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Citylightsarebright · 10/08/2024 23:43

Another xl bully attack, this time it was in my home town last week.
An xl bully ran out of the house down the road and attacked the nearest dog it saw a little dauchshund ripping both its legs off, it took 4 men and two women to get the xl bully off the other dog. The other little dog is alive thanks to the bravery of other people there at the time , however it had to have both legs ( what was left of them ) amputated.
Its extremely sad. The owner of the dauchshund is an elderly lady who was out walking the little dog ans she is utterly traumatised as expected.
The dog has been seized and owners will be prosecuted we have been told.
The reason I'm posting this is because I feel prosecution and dog being seized hasnt really solved anything has it? What is being done to prevent what happened in the first place? Nothing?? These dogs are still attacking / killing animals and children/ adults
Am I being unreasonable in thinking enough isnt being done to get rid of these hurrendous dogs?????

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Strictlymad · 11/08/2024 07:29

They all need to be pts. I went in the co op the other day with my 6 and 2 year old. As I went to come out I saw one sitting right outside the door, it looked cross (hot day) and and was on a long lead no muzzle. I was terrified

twentysevendresses · 11/08/2024 07:29

Ilovemyfreedom · 11/08/2024 00:25

Has anyone heard the saying ' there are no bad dogs, just bad owners'?
Any dog can be dangerous if they are mishandled. It's just that some of the bigger ones are very strong and can cause a lot of damage. Plus I find it's usually the smaller dogs who have very bad attitudes.

🤦‍♀️

Have you also heard the saying, 'there's no such thing as bad weather, only inappropriate clothing'? Equally trite!

MillieMilliner · 11/08/2024 07:37

Citylightsarebright · 11/08/2024 00:02

Um... nice try ... no I wont ignore the fucking breed a moment , sick to the back teeth of comments like this! Ignore the breed? Ignore that this breed has lock jaw so strong and huge body weight and strength behind it as it is an xl bully that it took 4 men and 3 women to save the dachshund??? And you what want me to ignore the breed ? And do what? Pretend it was a spaniel or something? Get a grip now and stop making excuses for these vile creatures.
One of the women there is close to a friend of mine and she said it was the most horrific thing she has ever witnessed in her life.... that dog was not letting go and was shaking the dauchshund like a rag doll so no we will not pretend that this dog was another breed!!!! Jog on

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Completely agree. These dogs should have just had an outright ban. Really annoys me when people bleat on about ‘ignoring the breed’. It’s a load of nonsense that it’s mainly down to the owners and not the breed. it’s the breed.

When I was growing up the local pet shop owners had a Timberwolf cross. It’s not illegal to own them but you have to have a dangerous wild animals licence. This wolf dog had a good temperament but you couldn’t ever forget it was an animal because if it turned it could kill or maim very easily. That’s because it’s a big dangerous animal, no matter who owns it.

So no. We shouldn’t ’ignore the breed’. Not even for a moment.

Peonies007 · 11/08/2024 07:38

Citylightsarebright · 10/08/2024 23:43

Another xl bully attack, this time it was in my home town last week.
An xl bully ran out of the house down the road and attacked the nearest dog it saw a little dauchshund ripping both its legs off, it took 4 men and two women to get the xl bully off the other dog. The other little dog is alive thanks to the bravery of other people there at the time , however it had to have both legs ( what was left of them ) amputated.
Its extremely sad. The owner of the dauchshund is an elderly lady who was out walking the little dog ans she is utterly traumatised as expected.
The dog has been seized and owners will be prosecuted we have been told.
The reason I'm posting this is because I feel prosecution and dog being seized hasnt really solved anything has it? What is being done to prevent what happened in the first place? Nothing?? These dogs are still attacking / killing animals and children/ adults
Am I being unreasonable in thinking enough isnt being done to get rid of these hurrendous dogs?????

We had an off lead dog with no owner nearby barking at us for a good 5 min yesterday (we were out for a walk with DS, no dog of our own). It was fairly small dog but ferocious. It was pretty scary.
Can't imagine what Bully would feel like.
When owner finally showed up, it was all 'he is very friendly' 🙄

KimKardashiansLostEarring · 11/08/2024 07:40

Those owners are fucking lucky the dog didn’t go for the dachshund owner! Or the people trying to rescue the dog of course.

’Take the breed out of it’ is a mindless comment - if the breed didn’t exist the owners wouldn’t own them. If the owners are so terrible, any dog they choose will be untrained and even if they only owned weedy dogs eg chihuahuas, they would still bite. But quite obviously small dogs don’t have as much body strength as bullies etc. Hence it IS the breed.

Sapphire387 · 11/08/2024 07:42

mellowfell · 11/08/2024 00:02

They should be all euthanised. These days I get intrusive thoughts thinking what if one attacked me and my baby whilst walking out and about.

Yeah, same. Terrifying dogs.

Lorapots · 11/08/2024 07:43

We do need an outright ban. Dogs of all kinds frequently escape from owners which annoys me as I’m on edge when I see someone running down the street shouting for Fido. And it’s often the same people being careless 🙄

The issue is when that dog is an XL Bully it often becomes more of a life and death situation.

No-one should be allowed to own them. These are not suitable as domestic pets because the risk of harm is too great if they manage to get out unmuzzled and unsupervised.

FuriosFancyShirt · 11/08/2024 07:43

They all need to be culled. And I say that as a dog lover.

Most attacks happen in the dog’s own home or because they have escaped from their home - in both cases they won’t be wearing a muzzle so the ban has been pointless. They all need to go.

Anewuser · 11/08/2024 07:47

Watermel · 11/08/2024 00:06

It's happening all over. This was recently, and did make the news, possibly because they had footage:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1931779/dog-attack-xl-bully-labradoodle?utm_source=mynewsassistant.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=embedded_search_item_desktop

TW: video.

Thank you for posting this, along with the warning, but that was bloody awful. For anyone saying XL bullys are just dogs, watch this bloody video. No other dog will latch like that.

I honestly couldn’t watch to the end. That poor labradoodle.

Chocolateorange22 · 11/08/2024 07:52

It is completely the breed. No amount of dog trainers would ever train the instinct of killing and mauling out of them. They were bred to be massive muscle machines. The difference being most want to be dog owners have a brain at not having this breed because they weren't designed to be a pet. That leaves idiots who couldn't even control or train a Jack Russel owning these breeds. Unfortunately this is what happens when you allow a load of Muppets to breed 'a super dog' for certain characteristics. The whole breed needs to be rounded up and euthanised. How many are still sat in homes unregistered because the owners can't be arsed or think that theirs is a softie so they don't want to label it?

Enchantedlilypad · 11/08/2024 07:53

I am a complete dog lover and I have a sausage dog and a Staffordshire bull terrier. I don't agree with the "there's no bad dogs only bad owners" comments, we took our Staffordshire bull terrier to puppy training classes, socialised her, have had numerous dog trainers and keep her on a lead when out walking but she is naturally aggressive to other dogs, I consider myself a responsible dog owner who did nothing to make her dog aggressive (she is amazing with humans and has never growled at anyone)

Some people are awful dog owners and bring out an aggressive side to the dog but some dogs are born naturally aggressive to dogs/humans.

I do agree that XL bullies should be banned though as it does seem the majority of attacks are from these dogs.

Theunamedcat · 11/08/2024 07:53

Citylightsarebright · 11/08/2024 00:04

The community are being amazing and have set up a just giving page

Are you allowed to share the just giving page?

Dressinggowntime · 11/08/2024 07:55

Watermel · 11/08/2024 00:06

It's happening all over. This was recently, and did make the news, possibly because they had footage:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1931779/dog-attack-xl-bully-labradoodle?utm_source=mynewsassistant.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=embedded_search_item_desktop

TW: video.

That one isn’t even as big as the one that lives in my area. It’s like a bloody donkey. I’ve never seen such a big dog. I’m terrified of it

Brightredtulips · 11/08/2024 07:55

One was on a lead no muzzle with a young woman running down the road with it, it was in front and she had no control. People were jumping off the pavements avoid. We live on a residential street. I have joined 2 at a house down the road barking and jumping at the window as people go by.

notavailabletoday · 11/08/2024 07:56

Due to the strength and size of this breed and high levels of aggression, it takes a very high level of training which is very demanding to control this type of breed. Even someone who is experienced with dogs who would know how to train many breeds would need a superior level of training and dedication. Even then, controlling the aggression and looking after them is a full time job. It can be done but it's far too risky to trust even 99% people with this breed no matter how good their intentions are.

KimKardashiansLostEarring · 11/08/2024 07:57

GSD20 · 11/08/2024 05:42

I work with dangerous dogs. I would say we euthanise at least 1 XL a week for aggression. Last weekend we had 3 that had attacked in separate incidents (things like killing another dog in the home so not reported widely) They have unstable and unpredictable temperaments.

Saying that, it’s almost always the responsible owners making the decision. The irresponsible ones just hide them away or live in denial hoping for the best until it’s too late.

What?? 😂😂 ‘It’s the responsible owners making the decision’….. to euthanise their aggressive dogs after they’ve attacked or killed? That’s how your post reads but surely that’s not what you’re saying. It’s irresponsible to own these dogs, not just to not decide to euthanise them. Deciding to euthanise them is too little too late.

GoFigure235 · 11/08/2024 07:58

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 11/08/2024 02:09

There is having a little dog with bad attitude, and a dog that is bred to fight to the death that is over 100 lbs.There is no comparison and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Indeed. I have a friend with a Pom with a bad attitude. I wouldn't allow my children near it in case it nips their hands (though tbf it quite likes children). When I visit her, I occasionally have to move the thing away from me with my foot and it's an annoying little blighter, but I can honestly say I've never felt in mortal peril from it 🙄.

TheAverageJoanne · 11/08/2024 08:01

ShouldIEvenBother · 10/08/2024 23:53

YANBU. And I for one am absolutely terrified of them. That poor little dog and elderly owner - it's just heart-breaking.

And I am so done with the "it's not the breed it's the owner" rhetoric we all get the pleasure of hearing when this topic comes around on some corner of the internet 🙄These particular dogs are something else and absolutely more needs to be done. This situation will not stop anytime soon, I fear. There are certainly more deaths, amputations, and disfigurements to come - we know this is the case.

It's often the breed AND the owner. There's usually a correlation. I've never seen an XL bully at dog training classes.

GoFigure235 · 11/08/2024 08:03

Chocolateorange22 · 11/08/2024 07:52

It is completely the breed. No amount of dog trainers would ever train the instinct of killing and mauling out of them. They were bred to be massive muscle machines. The difference being most want to be dog owners have a brain at not having this breed because they weren't designed to be a pet. That leaves idiots who couldn't even control or train a Jack Russel owning these breeds. Unfortunately this is what happens when you allow a load of Muppets to breed 'a super dog' for certain characteristics. The whole breed needs to be rounded up and euthanised. How many are still sat in homes unregistered because the owners can't be arsed or think that theirs is a softie so they don't want to label it?

Indeed. Come across an idiot who can't control their Jack Russell and you might need to give it a few good boots with your foot to dislodge it.

Come across an idiot who can't control one of these dogs and you or another passer-by has had it.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 11/08/2024 08:09

I’m a dog lover but these are not suitable as pet dogs. They just can’t be in domestic situations.
I’m afraid a cull is the only solution. The dogs are sedated before the final injection so know nothing.

hattie43 · 11/08/2024 08:10

This ban seems to have made no difference to the volume of attacks at all .
That bully has totally ruined the life of the dachshund , how is it expected to live with two legs , may have been better to euthanise.
I hope the XL is put down .

Chocolateorange22 · 11/08/2024 08:12

Allthehorsesintheworld · 11/08/2024 08:09

I’m a dog lover but these are not suitable as pet dogs. They just can’t be in domestic situations.
I’m afraid a cull is the only solution. The dogs are sedated before the final injection so know nothing.

It's not even like you could do anything else with them. You couldn't have them as a farm breed either could you? Herd of cows, yep they are dead, fluffy sheep yep they are dead. Farmers have to put signage up if a bull is in a field near footpaths and right of way. You'd have no chance with an XL in a field.

Tara336 · 11/08/2024 08:12

Someone near me owns one and a Staff, I have a very tiny 3kg dog. I came across the guy a couple weeks ago walking both no muzzle on along a quiet footpath. Both dogs instantly started pulling the man towards us and it wasn't the friendly vibe you get when another dog pulls to come over and say hi, they were aggressive and this man was pulling with all his strength to keep them away, all that needed to happen was him losing his balance, or the dogs slipping the collar and they would have attacked me and my dog. I hate the bloody things and the idiots that buy them should be ashamed of themselves for putting their families and the public on danger.

BreatheAndFocus · 11/08/2024 08:13

I love dogs but XL Bullies (and a few more breeds) should be banned. They’re absolutely terrifying. There are a number near me. I often see them out unmuzzled, with their owners (grown men) struggling to hold them. They’re only popular amongst people who should never own a dog in the first place IMO, and I can’t understand the popularity.

XL Bullies, Canó Corsos, etc should all be banned. Dogs like Rottweilers, Dobermans, etc, should need a special licence, only gained after a training course and if the person’s home situation is suitable. Staffies have been misused and wrongly bred too and, again, attract the brainless (even though they’re also owned by a number of responsible people) so, again, there should be some kind of control over them and their breeding and ownership.

I know any dog can bite, but I think it would be best to have an approved list of pet dogs which most people can choose from, with other breeds needing extra assessment and licensing prior to ownership - not just because some breeds might be aggressive, but because there are breeds living in urban environments, hardly ever taken for appropriate exercise, that would be better off having some kind of control over who owns them.

Viviennemary · 11/08/2024 08:13

Obviously something needs to be done. I'd like to see this breed and other dangerous agressive breeds of dogs off our streets for ever. Should this dog have been muzzled. Why are these dangerous killers allowed to roam freely.

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