TW - Upsetting information: XL Bully attack *edited by MNHQ

[Citylightsarebright]

Another xl bully attack, this time it was in my home town last week.
An xl bully ran out of the house down the road and attacked the nearest dog it saw a little dauchshund ripping both its legs off, it took 4 men and two women to get the xl bully off the other dog. The other little dog is alive thanks to the bravery of other people there at the time , however it had to have both legs ( what was left of them ) amputated.
Its extremely sad. The owner of the dauchshund is an elderly lady who was out walking the little dog ans she is utterly traumatised as expected.
The dog has been seized and owners will be prosecuted we have been told.
The reason I'm posting this is because I feel prosecution and dog being seized hasnt really solved anything has it? What is being done to prevent what happened in the first place? Nothing?? These dogs are still attacking / killing animals and children/ adults
Am I being unreasonable in thinking enough isnt being done to get rid of these hurrendous dogs?????

This is just not true , breeds have traits good or bad that override any training or control humans can do.
I have many years experience working in a vets and xl bullys stand alone ,we have seen them more than ever lately with the compulsory neutering rules - still no where near the amount we should be seeing though so clearly there are a huge amount of owners not complying, these dogs are terrifying even experienced people such as a vet team would stand no chance if one turned .
Each time we get one out of a kennel it is a leap of faith , they are wired different to anything else .
I am yet to meet anyone in my field who has trust in this breed - man has a lot to answer for.
The dog world is in chaos at the moment.

It is the breed and the fuckwit owners. Both should be put down.

Riots, Olympics...too many XL dog stories already. (Crude, but true.)

Darling you sound exactly like that stupid young woman in Limerick spouting almost exactly the same nonsense word for word contained in your post. She met a rather unpleasant fate being torn to pieces by one of her 'babies' while her family watched on cctv and the police couldn't get near to help until the armed response team arrived. Now she was a deeply unpleasant person in life but my god that is a horrific way to go

I like dogs and used to have a staffie but I think we've reached a point where all the XL bullies need to be culled.
I'm sure that would mean some dogs would be killed that wouldn't hurt anyone but the risk is too great now. As a breed they are far too unstable to be trusted. The damage they can inflict is horrendous.

It's not the dogs, it's the owners is akin to guns don't kill people, people do. In that case why not allow unrestricted gun ownership. If everything is down to the people who own dangerous things, why restrict anything?

I think it's because it happens with depressing regularity, it doesn't always make the national press. Guy in my mom's home village was jailed earlier this year because in 2022 his XL Bully killed another dog walker's dog, and badly injured the owner (he had tendon damage that required surgery).

XL Bullys have been bred to quickly to turn a profit, and as a result they're dangerously inbred, which can result in mental and behavioural issues. IIRC (and apologies if this is mentioned elsewhere in the thread) , I think research showed that 50% of UK XL Bullies are descended from "Killer Kimbo", an American dog that was born of a brother and sister mating (so already very inbred). One of Kimbo's offspring was used extensively for breeding UK bullies... another one of his offspring killed a four year old. One of his 'grandchildren' killed his owner's father.

That poor little daschund, and the poor owner, and everyone who had to witness it.

That breed is too vicious, and too many owners cannot handle them. In fact I would say ALL owners wouldn’t be able to handle their XL bully if it snaps. So the risks are just too high.

Why should the lives of people and other animals be put at risk just because someone wants THAT particular dog as a pet? There are lots of other breeds to choose from!

It’s just arrogance to want to own a dangerous dog. Some of these owners are fiercely determined to prove how wonderful and calm this breed is because they are completely deluded.

They’re butt ugly anyway. 🤢 Probably like their owners’ personalities.

So what about the tame americal xlsnthat now have to wear a muzzle round a park? Why? Its disgusting…its lile branding one group of ppl say terrorists and saying that they are thenissue or one race because of terrorism and they need restrictions? No look at their upbringing look at the history? Dogs dont attack for no reason they feel they are allowed to! If an owner has trained the dog right the dogs not gona even attempt it!!!! Tell me im wrong!!!

Comparing this to racism or Islamophobia or whatever you’re hinting at is wild. Please don’t compare humans with dogs or you’re part of the bigotry problem.

We are obviously never going to put restrictions on one group of people based on them belonging to a particular demographic eg. Certain sections of society are more likely to be serial killers but we are obviously not going to put them on a leash and give them all a curfew.

Repeat after me : Dogs and humans are not the same.

The whole owners vs breed argument is a waste of time anyway because even if we do say let’s blame the owners, that’s not much good after their XL Bully has ripped off a child’s face or killed someone?! Do you expect people just to shrug and say oh well it’s the owners fault so let’s carry on as normal?? I honestly feel that line is used by people arguing in bad faith to derail sensible discussion because it doesn’t make the consequences any different weather what they say is true or not .

I think it’s false to say dogs who attack are always badly trained - that’s just a cop out. My childhood friends family staffy dog was well trained and loved until it bit her 9 year old daughter in the face.

But even if we accept that argument, there will always be bad owners, the difference is the ramifications of a bad owner with an xl bully compared to most other breeds are far more serious and wide reaching.

It’s a similar reason to why most of my American friends and family want guns banned. They know they are (mainly) only a danger in the hands of the wrong people,
but the issue is lots of these wrong people exist in society and we can’t always tell who these people are.

These dogs are not necessary for society unlike people so it’s better for everyone’s safety to phase them out.

I think all you can do is report to the police every time as the XL has to be muzzled. I know it’s your word against the owner’s but hopefully multiple police visits and the owner might do the sensible thing.

Everyone knows of stories of a collie herding a group of people, or a Newfoundland that has ‘saved’ a happy swimmer. Breed instincts are really strong.

I have a cavachon his instincts from both sides is to snuggle and be a companion dog.

Breed very much matters.

I get that you were trying to be funny and clever there but you're inciting animal cruelty.
There is a problem with the breed but not every XL bully has caused harm and pain, so why should they be killed in such a cruel, painful and terrifying manner?

Let's deal with this properly, let them be PTS by trained professionals.

Similar happened outside my house a couple of years ago. An old couple were walking a small fluffy dog on a lead (smaller than my cats) and our neighbours had a ‘large staffy’ which escaped through their back gate, ran down the drive and attacked this poor dog.
We heard the commotion and ran out to help, as did the staffys owner (a big guy) and it still took a further 5/10 mins to get the dog off. It was really horrific I still think about it now.

The small dog luckily survived but it did need emergency surgery on a large wound on its chest and had damage to its front legs. The small dogs female owner also collapsed due to shock and we had to call an ambulance. Neighbours staffy was rehomed after it all.

So to summarise I agree that these large powerful bull style dogs should not be allowed.

Why are they so dangerous? It it that they are unpredictable or is it the type of people who own them + how powerful the dogs are?

I bloody hope the owner of that dog paid for the medical care!

Bull breeds really are a problem, this attack was near to where I work. The woman died. The laughable bit is at the end where the article states the victim owned two dogs a Pomeranian and a bull mastiff and it isn't yet clear which attacked her. Because yes a Pomeranian killed a woman....

I also think people shouldn't be able to keep dogs in flats, a walk or two a day isn't enough and most don't even do that. When my parents had a Labrador my dad would take him every day for a long walk (an hour or so) and then for either a 5k run or 10k cycle (because that's what my dad did actually). Across open land so the dog got proper exercise, he also did agility type work with him to occupy his brain. People used to connect how well behaved he was, well yes because it a reliable breed, trained properly from the start and thoroughly exercised. A dog is a lot more work than most people are willing to put in.

BBC News - Woman dies in hospital following dog attack in Southend-on-Sea - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck5gkpk7r5ko

No but not far so possibly the same one but on another job? It was horrible I have no idea how anyone could have that as a pet in thier house!!

It is the breed with XL bullys. They are massively inbred with poor genetics. The end result is a large, extremely strong dog with an unpredictable aggressive temperament.

If you get attacked by an inbred French bulldog or Cavalier King Charles Spaniel the chances are your injuries will be minor. With an XL bully the odds are against you.

Yes they did - they were horrified by the situation also (which in no way excuses them of course) but they were completely compliant with the authorities etc

They’re genetically unstable.

for a start the “XL Bully” is basically a pit bull terrier and they were bred to fight to the death. The traits are already there before you even consider the next part.

The vast majority of “xl bullies” in the UK are descendants of a particular dog called Kimbo (or killer kimbo). This dog and its offspring have a huge track record of attacking and mauling. Basically something has gone seriously wrong with this genetic line and all dogs descended from this line have this same unstable temperament. They’re fine until they’re not. None of these dogs are safe.

Bit of everything, I imagine.

• They're dangerously inbred, which can make them unpredictable and unstable

• They're bred to be as strong and as powerful as possible

• A lot of the people who own them are people who want these traits, and who are generally poor dog owners (and certainly poor dog breeders). That said, I've heard of responsible owners who have adopted them, gave them love, affection and training... and the dogs have still snapped, unprovoked.

It's horrible, as I'm sure that there's some that are lovely, but as a breed they're massively over represented in attacks, and even more so in fatal ones. They need to be humanely put to sleep.

I also think people shouldn't be able to keep dogs in flats, a walk or two a day isn't enough and most don't even do that

I agree with no dogs in flat except may ground floor flats . I live on the top (third) floor of my building and I find it weird there are people with large dogs here.

There was an incident where one dog pissed in the lift but the owners never cleaned it up, thankfully they were caught on cctv and spoken to.

I choose not to even bother to use the shared garden because in my previous flat there was constantly dog poo left there and I suspect this one will be similar.

I feel if you live in a building involving communal living - gardens, shared space in buildings etc a dog isn’t fair or suitable to your dog or the other residents.

No in England scary to think there’s others!!

I think it’s the breeding and half the stupid owners. There’s been a lot of reports of how many of these things had the bloodline from a dog called Kimbo.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/killer-kimbo-xl-bully-half-of-uk-pets-descended-one-us-dog/

Edited to add there’s some disturbing content in the article regarding attacks.