TW - Upsetting information: XL Bully attack *edited by MNHQ

[Citylightsarebright]

Another xl bully attack, this time it was in my home town last week.
An xl bully ran out of the house down the road and attacked the nearest dog it saw a little dauchshund ripping both its legs off, it took 4 men and two women to get the xl bully off the other dog. The other little dog is alive thanks to the bravery of other people there at the time , however it had to have both legs ( what was left of them ) amputated.
Its extremely sad. The owner of the dauchshund is an elderly lady who was out walking the little dog ans she is utterly traumatised as expected.
The dog has been seized and owners will be prosecuted we have been told.
The reason I'm posting this is because I feel prosecution and dog being seized hasnt really solved anything has it? What is being done to prevent what happened in the first place? Nothing?? These dogs are still attacking / killing animals and children/ adults
Am I being unreasonable in thinking enough isnt being done to get rid of these hurrendous dogs?????

Because people cannot be trusted.

This is exactly the case with XL Bullies. Almost all dog attacks are directly as a result of owner fault.

It's not all guns, it's not all people, and it's not all XL Bullies.

The breed is not inherently vicious and to say otherwise is hyperbole. Over 55,000 XL Bullies are now registered (and who knows how many remain unregistered in the UK), and if there are 20 attacks by XL Bullies in a year (made that figure up but seems reasonable) that is 0.036% of those dogs who are dangerous. You could bump that number of attacks up to 100 attacks a year, and you'd still be at 0.18% of those dogs who display aggressive and dangerous behaviour. Less than 1%. Less again if you were to increase that 55,000 to reflect unregistered XL Bullies. You can tell from that tiony percentage that the breed and the dogs in themselves are not by default aggressive and dangerous, or it's be a way higher number. For almost every single one of the dogs that are aggressive, it's usually people who make them that way through animal abuse and cruelty.

We ban guns because some people cannot be trusted to be responsible and considerate human beings and respect other peoples right to safety; it's sad to say it, but this is the reason the XL Bully ban was the right thing to do.

Well said. “Ignore the breed” indeed. It wouldn’t have happened if it were a terrier would it. Excellent application of Jog On as well. Although I would also have added Do One.

People who own these dogs or support ownership simply are not the most intelligent of people. It comes across in how they express their views.

Someone with intelligence would be able to assess the risks and decide that these dogs are simply not the safest animal to have around children. And then they would pick another breed.

That is why it is better to ban ownership. Because people are not all bright and some fools will always make a poor choice.

Tell me im wrong!!!

You are wrong. Very much so.

I generally agree, but it’s also about the breed. I own a 5kg griffon brussels. She’s tiny and has the energy of a potato. Two 20 minute walks a day is enough to tire her out. We have a communal backyard which dogs aren’t allowed in (rightly so). To me, it’s not much different to a cat.

Large high-energy dogs in apartments is always a bad idea!

I’ll issue them with snorkels to give them a fighting chance

Thank you, wagners, for speaking to me in a polite manner unlike some others on here. I am always more likely to respond to this reasonable tone and I will listen to you. Doesn't necessarily mean I'll change my point of view but I will listen carefully to what's being said.
Thank you.

What about bad breeders?

Dogs have been bred for many centuries to be loyal companions to humans. This is in an XLs DNA.

XLs have then been specially bred to have an oversized build, a jaw that locks into a killer bite and enormous muscle power. Add into this the specific breeding to make them aggressive, prey driven and committed to winning a fight even when they may be injured themselves.

What makes these dogs the most dangerous in my opinion is that they are hardwired to be loving, doting pets. They really, really want to be good boys and girls.

This is why people defend them and talk about good and bad owners. The truth is we have bred psychopathic dogs who can’t control their impulses 100 per cent of the time, regardless of owner. I’d hate to be in an XLs fucked up head.

I think euthanasia is safest and also kindest all round.

Ah you're just a twat. Got it.

No, in fact these dogs (and their owners) are twats. I’m taking back the snorkels.

The dog world is in chaos at the moment
@tsmainsqueeze would you be able to elaborate on this, or tell us how you see things panning out in the future?🙏

This time last year an XLB charged at us- it's female owner screamed at it and had zero control.

I had to release the two dogs I had on leads - It's too emotionally exhausting to go over what happened, but I was injured trying to catch the XLB as it had my little dog cornered in a part of the field.

The owner seemed afraid of it and wouldn't catch it.

Mercifully my dog escaped, {she's nimble} but wouldn't leave my side- Friend's dog bolted.

I phoned the Dog Warden about my friend's missing dog - Thankfully a lovely street sweeper saw her running terrified, and captured her with a bit of his sandwich and called the Dog warden.

Dog Warden was so lovely. He said that releasing the two dogs I had on leads was the only option.

XLB's he says are dangerous and unpredictable, and that they had taken quite a few in ''just to get them out of the community'' {2023}

He said the last thing they want is for an unmanageable dog to be passed on via social media to the ''He's a big softie'' brigade.

This was shortly before Ian Price was torn apart by two escaped XLB's

all XLs need to be euthanised as soon as possible

Don't be so fucking rude.

If you're this emotional that you can't control yourself I suggest you don't start posts about personal issues.

Our Practice says exactly the same thing - XLB's are not wired right.

There's no safe place for this breed. The new rules for muzzling in public helps but these attacks will continue within homes and as in this sad case when they escape and run out. I feel for the dogs who have been bred as it's not their fault but they should be removed and pts.

A friend of mine has two, from the same litter and they are genuinely loving and soft dogs. BUT I would never have one as I'm too small to be able to control it.
She is not a chav, she just likes them. They are muzzled and registered. I grew up with German Shepards, Rottweilers, Dobermans, cane Corso (my friend has 4 but lives rurally in Spain), English bulldog (soppiest dog I've ever met) and Dorgue de Bordeaux with no problems. These XL bullies are aggressive by nature and huge and powerful.
I hope that the 'breed' dies out.

I follow a few fb groups/pages that track dog attacks, and most are bully breeds. Of the people that come on to defend them, they ALL have appalling grammar/spelling, can't write properly at all, and there is a clear show of low intelligence from every single one.

Anyone who supports XLs being allowed to live should watch the Ian Price footage, and the Nicole Morey footage. I have only seen the latter - her being the owner, and a pit nutter at that, I had zero sympathy. Ian Price did not deserve what happened to him, and I have heard it is more gruesome than the Nicole Morey footage, so I can't watch that. But I hate bully breeds, and don't need to know more about the damage they cause. If you support bully breeds, you ought to see what you are supporting.

The current BSL doesn't work, because it doesn't go far enough. I would gladly see all those pitbull breeds wiped off the face of the earth. Maybe we can feed them to the lions in the zoo, make some use of them.

Bully-breed apologists, watch this, and tell me those damn dogs are worth it:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1202252484157370

Awful just awful. As I understand it the situation is much worse in the USA.
I used to go on the Reddit forum but I can't go there anymore, it's too distressing see attack after attack after attack and then people still want to have these awful creatures as pets.

Yes, it's way worse there, multiple attacks, multiple deaths.
I follow the case of Baby JJ, and Justin Gilstrap, among others. Both mauled by bully breed dogs in their neighbourhoods. Facially disfigured for life. Justin was scalped. I HATE these damn dogs.

Regarding Nicole Morey, I understand why people don't have sympathy for her but I still think it's awful and horrifying that anyone should be torn apart by a dog like that.
I can only assume that she lacked the intelligence/judgement required to evaluate the danger posed by the animal.
As has been pointed out on this thread the owners of these dogs appear to be mostly barely literate, they lack the intelligence required to understand the dangers pose by these animals.
All Pitbull type dogs and other dogs with the capacity to maul and kill humans should be banned. They are not suited to being kept as domestic pets.