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In Hospital and left alone

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Petesdragoness · 09/08/2024 22:56

The massive message I wrote of course deleted.

I'm in hospital very poorly and did have DH and DD3 visiting bringing fresh water and clothes. Unfortunately they've caught a stomach bug whilst here and now can't help.

Feeling very upset that people around me are more bothered about my DD than the fact that I'm hospital with no clean clothes, and no end in sight to getting better.

OP posts:
Livingtothefull · 10/08/2024 12:21

Differentstarts · 10/08/2024 10:11

Some times people need a bit of tough love and a shake. All of these things are easily fixable by talking to staff. The majority of people admitted to hospital are there unexpectedly so don't have stuff and there are also a lot of people who don't have friends and family to bring stuff for one reason or another. Hospitals are fully stocked with everything that's needed and also usually have volunteers who will go to the shop for patients. Op is in a situation that is incredibly common and she needs to put her big girl pants on and talk to the staff.

I don't think it is appropriate to administer 'tough love and a shake' to a sick woman in a hospital bed. The incongruity (at best) of haranguing a sick person to 'put her big girl pants on' is striking to me.

When I was very sick I recall I wasn't up to asking for anything, I really needed to be taken care of by those around me. So I would want the same for anyone who is sick.

Anyway the OP has stopped posting on her own thread now because of the aggressive responses she has received, so they haven't done any good have they?

Itsallok · 10/08/2024 12:53

Livingtothefull · 10/08/2024 12:21

I don't think it is appropriate to administer 'tough love and a shake' to a sick woman in a hospital bed. The incongruity (at best) of haranguing a sick person to 'put her big girl pants on' is striking to me.

When I was very sick I recall I wasn't up to asking for anything, I really needed to be taken care of by those around me. So I would want the same for anyone who is sick.

Anyway the OP has stopped posting on her own thread now because of the aggressive responses she has received, so they haven't done any good have they?

People like the OP don't take advice. Thats clear. If they were that sick - they would not be able to whinge on MN

Differentstarts · 10/08/2024 12:55

Livingtothefull · 10/08/2024 12:21

I don't think it is appropriate to administer 'tough love and a shake' to a sick woman in a hospital bed. The incongruity (at best) of haranguing a sick person to 'put her big girl pants on' is striking to me.

When I was very sick I recall I wasn't up to asking for anything, I really needed to be taken care of by those around me. So I would want the same for anyone who is sick.

Anyway the OP has stopped posting on her own thread now because of the aggressive responses she has received, so they haven't done any good have they?

She's posting on mumsnet, she isn't dying. Being unwell doesn't mean your suddenly incapable. She's posted she has no clean clothes clean underwear and sanitary products all of this stuff is available if she asked but instead decided to suffer and whinge about it. People do have to take personal responsibility ill or not

EyeHalveAySpelingChequer · 10/08/2024 12:59

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ListentotheButterflies · 10/08/2024 13:02

EdithBond · 10/08/2024 12:09

I know you’ve stepped away from this OP. But if you do check in, letting you know I’m thinking of you and understand how helpless, isolated and uncared for you feel.

In my experience, this is a serious problem in hospitals. Nurses started off as people who cared for the patient - literally ‘nursed’ them. There also used to be orderlies, who’d help look after you. But nurses are now medical staff and don’t see it as their job to look after patients’ personal needs. Of course, most nurses do their v best to help, when asked, but are rushed off their feet. And most wards no longer have orderlies - just cleaning contractors.

When I was last in hospital, the women in the beds next to me had nothing, as they’d been admitted by ambulance. One had lost her bag having been hit by a car. Neither had a phone, toothbrush, clean clothes. Nothing. Luckily, I had a laptop and helped them cancel bank cards, email parents in Italy etc etc. But, I was on an IV, so couldn’t get them a toothbrush etc.

There was no one on the ward to help with any personal needs. One woman was so mentally distressed and only me to comfort her at night, when I was unwell with a mystery infection myself. I couldn’t brush my own teeth for days as I was bedbound.

I feel strongly there could be a volunteering scheme, perhaps retired people, where there’s someone who can look after you like a relative/friend - ‘nurse’ you as a carer would at home. Make sure you’re comfortable, help you wash, get drink/food you fancy/enjoy (where permissable), keep you company, help you sort out stuff. At v least, a mobile shop should come round with essential toiletries, underwear etc etc. I love the NHS and the medical care is usually excellent. But I feel many patients are left uncared for in terms of personal needs/company, which is so essential when you’re ill, especially older people.

Posters have said that there are volunteers in most hospitals who visit the wards and ask if anyone needs anything.

As a BTW it's possible to clean your teeth when in bed.
Toothbrush/paste etc - use a glass of water or a bottle of water and spit out the toothpaste in another cup.

I saw Joanna Lumley cleaning her teeth when on a very filthy ship with no clean running water for teeth, using a toothbrush and a bottle of water.

MissMoneyFairy · 10/08/2024 13:07

ListentotheButterflies · 10/08/2024 13:02

Posters have said that there are volunteers in most hospitals who visit the wards and ask if anyone needs anything.

As a BTW it's possible to clean your teeth when in bed.
Toothbrush/paste etc - use a glass of water or a bottle of water and spit out the toothpaste in another cup.

I saw Joanna Lumley cleaning her teeth when on a very filthy ship with no clean running water for teeth, using a toothbrush and a bottle of water.

Volunteers won't go into isolation rooms but the staff can ask on your behalf, someone may be happy to get some bottled water when they're next in the supermarket, bring it in and husband can reimburse them when he's next allowed to visit, there are ways around it.

Edinlassy · 10/08/2024 13:09

Could the nurses perhaps check any patients who are getting discharged today if they are leaving toiletries or cordial anything really not everyone packs this stuff up to take home. Just a thought. Hope you are on the mend soon

HollyKnight · 10/08/2024 13:11

Why do they do it? And then tell patients to drink it when they don't have to drink it themselves.

They do drink it themselves. There isn't a special staff-only water supply in the hospital. Everyone drinks the same water.

BetteLaSwet · 10/08/2024 13:12

Have to say that regrettably our experience as a family has been shocking with regards to care. When my elderly parent was in for a month, it seemed the nursing staff were experts in avoiding eye contact and hearing people asking for help. To advocate for my parent we’d have to wait by the nursing station, being literally ignored by staff there. Or go to the doctor’s office and knock, but again we’d be ignored. Sometimes I think my poor parent would still be stuck in the chair by their bed, cold and in pain for hours without meds, to this day if I hadn’t have been so insistent that they needed help!

IncessantNameChanger · 10/08/2024 13:17

Itsallok · 10/08/2024 12:53

People like the OP don't take advice. Thats clear. If they were that sick - they would not be able to whinge on MN

That's just not true. I was one point off the hospital points system for imminent death when I was bluelighted in. I could still text. My lovely cousin was posting on FB hours before they died after a long cancer diagnosis.

Livingtothefull · 10/08/2024 13:40

Differentstarts · 10/08/2024 12:55

She's posting on mumsnet, she isn't dying. Being unwell doesn't mean your suddenly incapable. She's posted she has no clean clothes clean underwear and sanitary products all of this stuff is available if she asked but instead decided to suffer and whinge about it. People do have to take personal responsibility ill or not

It is not easy to advocate for yourself when you are sick, texting or posting on MN aren't the same. It is nothing to do with taking personal responsibility as you would when well. And yes being unwell literally does mean that you are incapable to a degree.

Why am I having to explain this on here? I hope I never get sick again if these are some the attitudes I will face.

And by the way I DGAF what Joanna Lumley managed to do on a ship. Brushed her teeth with bottled water whilst fully well. What a heroine.

Normallynumb · 10/08/2024 13:40

I'm sorry you're unwell
It's not great feeling dependant on others help for basics and if you're in isolation you're cut off from seeing staff unless they knock
If your DH has D&V he won't be allowed on the ward even if he can make the journey
I would text family a list of what you need including bottles of squash and ask that they bring it, to the ward or reception.
Literally shout for help. Obviously they're worried about DDbut you're stuck
You can order from Amazon and list delivery address as your ward

Sorenlorrenson · 10/08/2024 13:55

Livingtothefull · 10/08/2024 10:04

And why don't you take your own attitude something else? Your lack of empathy is concerning, have you any idea what it is like to be ill? When a person is ill enough to be in hospital, it is a time when they need to be looked after.

Yep, I know what it's like to be in hospital. If you've soiled your undies you ask for new ones, it's simple. You are fed 3 times a day, it's simple. If you are thirsty ring your bell, they'll bring you water. SIMPLE

ListentotheButterflies · 10/08/2024 13:57

Livingtothefull · 10/08/2024 13:40

It is not easy to advocate for yourself when you are sick, texting or posting on MN aren't the same. It is nothing to do with taking personal responsibility as you would when well. And yes being unwell literally does mean that you are incapable to a degree.

Why am I having to explain this on here? I hope I never get sick again if these are some the attitudes I will face.

And by the way I DGAF what Joanna Lumley managed to do on a ship. Brushed her teeth with bottled water whilst fully well. What a heroine.

You can clean your teeth when in bed. I've done it and so have 1000000s of other people. You're talking as if no one else has been too ill to get out of bed for a few of days. Most of us have been there or known other family members who've done it.

Turtonator · 10/08/2024 15:20

About 6 weeks after the birth of my son I had a huge internal infection that meant I literally - and I mean literally - wasn't able to move my body. I could move arms and legs, I could move up and down the bed if careful using arms and legs, but my actual body - centre - stomach, pelvis etc - could not move. Couldn't twist, use a bedpan, pull up socks. In isolation for two weeks. I had visitors, thankfully but at night I was on my own, freezing cold, unable to reach for drinks. My GP saw my infections levels when I came out and gasped. I rang the bell and no-one came. It was an absolute miserable two weeks. So I can empathise and not judge.

Also - read the thread, or just read the OP's posts. "I would text family a list of what you need including bottles of squash and ask that they bring it, to the ward or reception.
Literally shout for help. Obviously they're worried about DD but you're stuck
You can order from Amazon and list delivery address as your ward
" - again, read the OP's updates. Good grief.

10mins · 10/08/2024 15:27

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/08/2024 15:31

Petesdragoness · 10/08/2024 10:13

Lots of assumptions here that I'm lazy and pathetic because I've not asked.
Also that I'm refusing to drink the water and being on IV because of that. It's making me dehydrated because adding the juice dries out my mouth, I can't just drink the beachy water because it makes me physically sick making me more dehydrated. I've been told by nurses I'm on IV whether I drink or not.

Ive asked the hospital for everything they can supply and that's all they can do. I'm not allowed to leave my room to get supplies and im actually on quarantine so noone can access the room without full PPE

I appreciate the offers for deliveries however they're not allowed to do that here, all deliveries are to the main entrance and I have noone to collect. I've already asked the nurses if there are people available to go down to get me anything and I've been told they're too understaffed.

Sorry to hear this, @Petesdragoness - when I was in hospital with covid, being barrier nursed, a neighbour was allowed to bring a bag of stuff to the ward for me (dh had covid too, so couldn’t do it himself, so they did a complicated handover at the front door, using multiple bin bags) - and the ward staff said that, if the neighbour couldn’t bring the bag to the ward, she could drop it at reception, and someone would bring it up.

I do appreciate how understaffed wards are, but it is a shame they can’t find some solution for you.

Differentstarts · 10/08/2024 15:48

Edinlassy · 10/08/2024 13:09

Could the nurses perhaps check any patients who are getting discharged today if they are leaving toiletries or cordial anything really not everyone packs this stuff up to take home. Just a thought. Hope you are on the mend soon

Iv left squash, magazines and tampons when I left for this reason it's just about asking

Oblomov24 · 10/08/2024 15:50

Sympathy op. I took my Dh to A&E, he was then transferred to a ward, he got home yesterday. I went 4 times, and if I hadn't have advocated for him I fear little would have been done. I literally had to fight (ask) what was going on, at every stage, ask where his iv was, when fluids would be given, when the next antibiotic would be given, he had 4 different ones.

I had doctors and nurses all contradicting eachother. I had one nurse accidentally
gave him a double dose, without getting it signed off first, and then lied about it. Depending on the medicine that could kill someone! Thats major. The head of dept came to see her about it. Said it wasn't the first time she'd find it and that the ramifications were going to be serious. Comedy of errors it was. Only not funny. Glad to get him home.

I'm sorry you haven't got someone advocating for you, because in my experience and everybody I know including my mum and everybody else I know who has been to hospital recently it's getting to the stage where it's such chaos that you need to have somebody advocating for you.

10mins · 10/08/2024 16:05

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EdithBond · 10/08/2024 16:06

This thread has made me quite sad.

When people are unwell, especially when they don’t have a diagnosis or know what might happen next, they need tender, loving care. This includes anticipating and asking what they might need. When you feel unwell it can be a struggle to think clearly and advocate for yourself, you can feel helpless and humiliated, and you don’t want to feel like a burden. You can feel very emotional and quite sorry for yourself. Some ailments and/or meds make this worse.

When I’m looking after a child or adult who’s sick, especially very sick or immobile, at home, I have little chats, offer them things I know they’re likely to need or enjoy, and ask if they need anything else. I keep them company as much as possible, sometimes sitting silently reading while they rest. It can be very comforting to know someone’s there. I also give them privacy, if that’s what they prefer.

To me, this is the basic level of care anyone who’s unwell or incapacitated should expect. They shouldn’t have to shout or organise it themselves. They shouldn’t even have to ask for obvious basics, like water they can stomach.

Of course we can all cope if we have to without any/very little of the above. Sadly, lots of people have to. The OP is. But they shouldn’t be expected to. Or scoffed at if they wish they had it. That’s the difference.

thursdaymurderclub · 10/08/2024 16:31

MissMoneyFairy · 10/08/2024 11:57

Because she doesn't like the taste , the juice dries her mouth and she wants bottled water

oh dear!

newyearsresolurion · 10/08/2024 16:33

I don't know where you are but in the UK hospitals the following things are normally available
Net nickers
Paper pants
Pads
Hospital gowns/ pyjamas
Toothbrushes
Toothpaste
Shower gel
Shampoo
Hot drinks
Food/snacks
Wishing you a quick recovery

thursdaymurderclub · 10/08/2024 16:41

assuming the OP is in a UK hospital.. they are well enough to post nasty replies on MN so they are more than capable of ordering bottled water from just eat or whatever.

i know this is possible, when i was in for back surgery in a town many miles from home my DH sent me a hotchoc via just eat and they brought it to my bed!

i think i saw the OP mention sitting in her own blood and dirty sheets? i find that very very unlikely, and a simple press of the red button by your bedside and a polite request for fresh bedding would i am sure have been met.

but as the OP is pissed that her DD who is ill is getting more attention than they area, i have a good idea what kind of patient OP is being

10mins · 10/08/2024 16:43

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