To think these riots are about anti-muslim feeling more than immigration....

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...and to wonder what the rioters actually think the solution is?

I mean there are plenty of Christian immigrants and no-one is attacking churches. Inner city churches are often mostly made up of ethnic minority and immigrant people

Just watched Ed Balls interview with Zarah Sultana.
ZS: "it's important to call out these riots for being islamophobic because mosques and muslims are being targetted"
EB: "do you agree we need to control immigration"
followed by constant interruption and not allowing her to actually say anything. He came across terribly. There have been 8000 complaints about this interview!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/ed-balls-gmb-zarah-sultana-riots-b2591311.html

These rioters want to get rid of muslims whether British or immigrant - that is the unpalatable truth. It's not about immigrants in general at all, and only partly about the ones in the hotels. It's scarily reminiscent of what I've read about the early days of the 1930s in germany before Hitler came to power.

No, because if there were no Muslims, it would be Jewish people, then British born black/brown people , then people with foreign accents, then trans people, then gay people, then disabled people.... the list goes on and on because they are bigots.

I can have a conversation with someone who has a thing about a certain group, but when there's more than one grievance, then I'm out.

Yes. As shown by the fact that when the original trigger for the riots (the supposed immigrant who supposedly carried out the Southport killings) was discovered to be false, it didn't make any difference - they just went ahead and rioted anyway.

My dad is from India (Sikh) mum is Scottish. So these riots seem like a personal attack

I don’t think the people protesting give two shits about what type of brown person they are directing this hate at.

I’ve seen Tommy Robinson tweet something along the lines of “Sikhs are a perfect example of a group integrating in the UK”. All his replies will be filled with racists calling him a traitor.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

It definitely is but it’s a case of ‘ and the others as well’. First priority is Muslims. There’s a pecking order.

I fall into other minority groups but am not Muslim. At this current time I’d say no one else in the world is hated more than Muslims.

my grandparents came over from Ireland in the 40s and 50s to an intolerant part of the north of England. Many of the Irish in England and their children forgot they were immigrants that arrived by boat when there was the next group to hate on. My grandma always said that the british would default back into hating the Irish at any moment and we should never judge others for making a similar trip to what they did. I’ve seen lots of whining from racists that Irish culture didn’t / doesn’t clash the way Islam does. This didn’t stop the abuse and discrimination at the time.

anti Muslim racism has been exploited and stoked up recently with so many falling for it and easily lured in. These riots were an attempt to destabilise the country and a load of useful idiots being used for some rich and powerful behind the scenes. If there was no Muslims in the UK it would be aimed at Eastern Europeans/Irish/Sikhs/jewish, the UK especially England is Xenophobic and rotten to its core and this is something that unfortunately isn’t getting cut out by education / the media like it should.

I agree with you that it’s reminiscent of the 1930s in Germany and an attempted lurch even further to the right. If anybody who is LGBT+, disabled or of any religious or ethnic minority or from any other country (or their parents or grandparents were) thinks that we wouldn’t be next or buys in to the bullshit then they really are stupid. This is what individualism has done to our country and this is unveiling the Uk especially englands true colours. Whoever is actually behind this has an ulterior motive and a long term plan, and we need to be careful.

For these people rioting I truly do not think it would matter if we had 0 immigrants, they will hold these views as long as any people who look or sound different to them live in the UK and this is why we must never bow into their demands or try to justify this.

I grew up in a shithole of a town in Yorkshire and haven’t lived there since I was 18, it hasn’t had much rioting which I am glad of but I grew up with people making jokes about Muslims and people from Pakistan and talking about violence against them with glee. There is no community or working class values in my hometown and instead it is all about blaming the immigrant (or those on benefits) for any and all of their problems. The best part of my hometown is the slip road to the M62.

I hope that this is the far right burning themselves out but I fear it has sunk its claws right in to many in England.

It’s both these things.
Ed Balls was awful in that interview!

Christians are the most persecuted around the world especially in areas with a high Muslim population

I think most racism in this country is anti Muslim . I haven't heard any rhetoric about any group accept Muslims . I don't think we'd have half the issues over boats if they weren't predominantly young Muslim men .

No, completely disagree. You are trying to make it Muslim, for your own convenience, when it's not.

@Opine

"I’d say no one else in the world is hated more than Muslims."
Why? Why do you think Muslims are hated more?

I do get confused with terminology. It is called Islamaphobia but when women and girls are targeted (as they disproportionately are across the world), there is no 'phobia' attributed there. Why is it always 'okay' for women and girls to be victims?.

Intersectionality - Muslims, and women and girls and trans and gay and black and disabled - then you're really fcked.

Sadly, it is anti-Muslim and anti-anyone who is not white. Most of the ignorant wan+++rs rioting against 'immigrants' will not look st a white person next to them and think 'immigrant', whereas they will automatically think this of a Black or Asian.
Interesting that they also don't seem to consider Philipino or East Asian immigrants as threats to them or 'their' jobs.
So yes, anyone non-white is a target.
Yet they still go abroad to try and turn the colour of people they hate without understanding the irony of it

Is it nothing to do with extremists and terrier attacks? Now obviously that’s a very small % of Muslims acting in that way but similarly anti Irish sentiment was very high during the Troubles.

Sexism and misogyny are used, no?

Jews are 5 times more likely to be on the receiving end of abuse than any other group. (Home Office figures, 2021)

No other group has to have guards, and often a police presence, outside their schools and places of worship.

I don’t think the people protesting give two shits about what type of brown person they are directing this hate at.

I think that you're right that these people don't care what religion any brown person is, because it's the colour they hate.

On the other hand, neither do they know the difference between the religions, so they probably would say that what they are against is Muslims, even if they were attacking a Hindu.

In effect, then 'Islamophobia' is simple racism, even if the people doing it are too dim know why it is.

Oh please. Look at what has been done over millenia in the name of 'christianity'..
Kidnap of Australia's native people's children to live with 'christian' families
The genocide and subjegation of South American and African people's
The Crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
Explicit and condoned robbery of the poorest by guilting them into giving to the church
'Exorcisms'
Forced conversion to 'christianity' of many
No abortion, no contraception (some christian religions)
You cannot eat meat on Friday
You will go to church
Fundamental 'christianity' treating women as goods, subjegating them
How long have you got?
Christianity, as other religions, is an artificial construct, devised by men, to gaslight women, men and children into controlling and abusive behavious. Women are second-class citizens, despite the new 'women in church' movement

In recent years there's been a huge rise in islamaphobia. I see so much hate and misinformation spouted on Mumsnet and social media. However last night showed a good display of hope not hate, of compassion towards Muslims and other minorities. I'm going to wallow in that feeling fir a while.

@FinalInstructionstotheAudience

Historically.

Currently Christians are persecuted in Africa and Asia. There are also hundreds of terrorist attacks a year killing innocent people in the name of Islam

NO, not just historically; much of that shit is still carried out by so-called christians

I agree with this. As a Muslim it's not just about us it's all minorities. I really hate the recent statements even at my workplace saying it's anti immigration and anti Muslim...no its anti minorities.

Unfortunately and alot of my Muslim family agree that a few extremists bring a bad name to u. You rarely hear things in the media about extremist Sikhs, Hindus wanting a religious law in a western country or in the UK preaching extremist views. So naturally they target Muslims as the main group of people, but it's really anyone who is not white.

This is exactly right.