To think these riots are about anti-muslim feeling more than immigration....

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...and to wonder what the rioters actually think the solution is?

I mean there are plenty of Christian immigrants and no-one is attacking churches. Inner city churches are often mostly made up of ethnic minority and immigrant people

Just watched Ed Balls interview with Zarah Sultana.
ZS: "it's important to call out these riots for being islamophobic because mosques and muslims are being targetted"
EB: "do you agree we need to control immigration"
followed by constant interruption and not allowing her to actually say anything. He came across terribly. There have been 8000 complaints about this interview!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/ed-balls-gmb-zarah-sultana-riots-b2591311.html

These rioters want to get rid of muslims whether British or immigrant - that is the unpalatable truth. It's not about immigrants in general at all, and only partly about the ones in the hotels. It's scarily reminiscent of what I've read about the early days of the 1930s in germany before Hitler came to power.

Bit strange that reform voters are being held responsible for the riots this week then isn't it.

I say this as someone that's vehemently against them

I don't see what good comes from religion either. This thread isn't about race, so I don't think you should conflate the two things.

Nope, I don't. I'm just trying to understand what the posters who are excusing riots and anti Muslim sentiment are saying and if it applies equally to all religions. Like are Christians out protesting about Huw Edwards given he is a Christian and the obvious connection there with Christian Churches and child abuse. I haven't seen any protests, nor have I seen any anti Christian riots, nor have I heard of a spike in Christian hate crimes. So on what occasions do people have to apologise for the actions committed by those who they share a religion with or face abuse and on what occasions do we ignore it? The rules seem a bit blurry to me tbh.

I think the anti racist demos last night were brilliant and absolutely helped put the racists back in their box

Not the ones on this thread, sadly.

Did Huw Edwards abuse children in the name of Christianity though?

@Parkingt111 As said Elaine it is about respect for local custom and law. If it is law in France not to wear a head covering I as a believer in the primacy of law would respect that.

If in Iran there is a compulsory element to wearing a head covering in public than I would have to respect that for fear of prosecution.

So you're holding them responsible?

When the threat was from the IRA, we were all told to keep an eye out for suspicious packages, etc, but the IRA generally gave a code and a warning, didn’t they? They did a bombing when they thought no one was about (BTW - I realise I am being insensitive towards people in NI here and speaking purely from by own perspective on the mainland) and a newspaper seller got killed, which was presumably unintentional. We didn’t have lots of checks at the airports, that kind of thing back then. 7/7 on the tube was orchestrated to cause the most bloodshed, chaos and fear possible, for people in the capital. There wasn’t a warning. Another group of ‘failed’ bombers attempted another attack soon after. In places of work, people are now trained in what to do if terrorists enter the building. There just was not that level of threat back then.

It doesn’t make sense to me that you would expect Christians to be targeted because someone is a pedo & also Christian. Or expect people to protest and say not all Christians are pedos.

Who knows, did anyone ask him? But you can't deny that there is a culture of abuse and cover ups of abuse towards children within Christian religions, who is to say whether or not he learnt from this?

Absolutely. Along with the death of Diana it was the most shocking thing in my lifetime .

There is a fear it will happen again and it has , Ariana grande concert wasn't that long ago .
It's still raw in people's minds . We have those amongst us who want to destroy us.

@RainyWoodland sorry I misread. Yes I agree the threat was very different then. And also hard agree that in NI the threat was very different.

But you can't deny that there is a culture of abuse and cover ups of abuse towards children within Christian religions, who is to say whether or not he learnt from this?

I would argue there is a culture of abuse & coverups in all religions. And I think it’s one reason Christianity has declined here,

But are they back in their box . They may not be on the streets thank god but their views won't change , it'll all go on without the media cameras .

@bfsham Also, Islam /muslim is a religion not a race/ethnic background. Too many posters on this thread are conflating the two.

Thats the point of the current racism around this though. It’s not even just Islam fully as a religion, it’s perceived muslimness a lot of the time.
Generally it’s just fear & hatred due to different skin colour, often wrapped up in the idea that all or most Muslims are extremists, wanting to take over the Uk and put us all under sharia law, as an attempt to validate the xenophobia.

Maybe you should search for something that isn’t four years old??

But you didn't only talk about France. You also wrote about how you think Muslims are benefitting economically over here whilst not integrating enough and supposedly hating British culture.

We are all discussing the hear and now, not the past…

Is Huw Edwards even a Christian? Or are you just making that assumption because he's white?

I’ve got no idea but his religion wasn’t a motive for his actions.

How hard must it be to walk around with so much hate in their hearts ?

I have an overwhelming feeling of pride of for all the kindness and brave people who came out in support. And also- looking at them - they just looked happy !

@Twoboysandabengal a quick search & I couldn’t see anything more up to date, do you have anything that is?

Gurudwaras and hindu temples are being targetted too

I also don’t think other newsreaders or BBC workers need to say not in my name re Huw.

The rampant antisemitism in the UK and elsewhere began on October 8 immediately after the atrocities committed by Hamas.
There are videos aplenty filmed by the terrorists themselves of their actions and celebrations with Palestinians in Gaza then. I didn't notice any senior Muslim in the UK then condemning their actions nor calling on Hamas to release the remaining hostages. I suppose you think that's ok. Meanwhile Jewish people in the diaspora are vilified constantly about Israel's actions in Gaza.

And when they are back on the streets or doing the next racist attack, supposedly in my name, I will also be back on the streets shouting loudly 'not in my name'. And I will be joined my thousands of other white people who aren't having it and aren't going to be quiet with a 'nothing to do with me' attitude. It is everything to do with me.