To think these riots are about anti-muslim feeling more than immigration....

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...and to wonder what the rioters actually think the solution is?

I mean there are plenty of Christian immigrants and no-one is attacking churches. Inner city churches are often mostly made up of ethnic minority and immigrant people

Just watched Ed Balls interview with Zarah Sultana.
ZS: "it's important to call out these riots for being islamophobic because mosques and muslims are being targetted"
EB: "do you agree we need to control immigration"
followed by constant interruption and not allowing her to actually say anything. He came across terribly. There have been 8000 complaints about this interview!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/ed-balls-gmb-zarah-sultana-riots-b2591311.html

These rioters want to get rid of muslims whether British or immigrant - that is the unpalatable truth. It's not about immigrants in general at all, and only partly about the ones in the hotels. It's scarily reminiscent of what I've read about the early days of the 1930s in germany before Hitler came to power.

Some of them are pretty scary as are some of the rioters of the past week. Not due to colour but behaviour

Remember the teacher in Batley?
Exactly

“Terrorism or abuse” was what was said.

I think what’s happening to kids and civilians in Gaza is abuse, is terrorising them and is inhumane. And the news often passively reports them dying as though another party didn’t play an active role in their deaths.

I agree with you, we don't speak out because we know the consequences we will have by our own community. And to some extent some people don't because they secretly agree.
Anytime in the news we hear of things like what happened to that teacher and how he had to go in hiding I am utterly mortified this is what our religion teaches us to behave like that.

It's shameful cos yesterday was a great demonstration of how people as a community can speak up and aay not in our name.

Why would other Muslims feel a responsibility based on how someone else acts who has nothing to do with them other than the fact that they either share the same religion or the same ancestry?
Do you take responsibility for how Tommy Robinson behaves because you are both white?
As a white NI catholic I certainly don’t feel any responsibility for how nationalist paramilitaries act, are you saying I should based on some shared, loose religiously based cultural background?
Or is it only Muslims who should feel responsible for the actions of others?

It's interpretation of the religion that is incorrect so yes as a Muslim we should be speaking up more to sya this is not the right interpretation of our religion.

Did he not get his job back? I had heard of him being driven out but assumed (maybe incorrectly) that he would continue teaching. If driven out that is wrong and incorrect for a discussion around use of a cartoon.

Well this doesn’t sound anything like a rather well-worn racist trope about Jewish people…

Tommy Robinson is white. I'll gladly say not in my name. This can be seen in many people who have spoken out as not in our name.

Not only did he not get his job back but he's still in hiding with his family because of the death threats he received. As far as I'm aware no one was charged with hate crimes either.

Let's not forget what happened to Salman Rushdie.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/salman-rushdie-interview-free-speech-b2528698.html

I am in no way denying that Muslims are having a hard time in the UK at all. I am desperately worried about community cohesion and the fact that my brown skinned neighbors didn't feel safe going out last night.

But worldwide, I believe it's Christians that are the most persecuted. Muslims are allowed places to worship and are protected under equality laws in the developed world but Christians have been systematically driven out of most of the Middle East and North Africa.

And I imagine that the Jews never feel safe anywhere at any time.

Do you take responsibility for how Tommy Robinson behaves because you are both white?

the anti-racism protests would appear to suggest that yes, people are prepared to stand up and say ‘not in my name’

That needs addressing. It cannot be that it is allowed that threats stand, no arrests, a teacher in hiding, poor man and his family appear to have been let down and a mob won. No mob whether the racist mob or the ones against a school teacher should be allowed to win. Treat equally and be seen to treat equally.

They do suggest that. Not in my name said over and over.

@Bamboomyrrh i reported that comment.

I refer you to paragraph 3 of my post. No, they shouldn't have to but nobody of any group who protests 'not in my name' HAS to. But it helps.

I feel blessed I live next door to an Islamic school/ food bank and I have a wonderful Muslim family next door my daughter is half kurdish and I love it here
We are friendly and we are supportive
I recently had problems with a really horrible neighbour above me and the teacher from the school next door was so supportive he arranged for the local councillor, to come to a meeting to see how best we could proceed
He has done more for me than most
Luckily the problem has been resolved and the lad has moved out but my point is this kind person helped me, a single parent.. and my other neighbours would visit and always be inviting us to their house and I see them as my friends
I feel so sad about the hatred that is in these rioters hearts if it wasn't Muslims it would be Jewish people if not Jewish it would be women
Instead of looking at themselves and owning their own stuff they blame others
They are cowards and they are ugly and they are pathetic

So in a shocking turn of events a thread about Islamaphobia has turned into a thread about all of the bad things individual Muslims have ever done wrong. To the posters that are doing this does this mean that you agree that anti Muslim feelings are to blame for the riots but they deserve it or what is the point you are trying to make?

Ah, here we go. Ignore all the other posters, its clearly those sneaky Jews in disguise. Didn't take long for the antisemitism to come out.

Well it's quite relevant to discuss why islamaphobia is happening. As a Muslim I can appreciate why this sentiment is happening. I'm not going to ignore the fact that extremists across the world use the religion to spread hate and acts of violent against non Muslims, takings it's teachings and interpreting the. wrongly.

I don't agree with the Muslims who stand outside schools protesting and housing headteachers if a cartoon is discussed and now that teacher is in hiding fearing fro his life because of Muslim extremists.

It's incidents like that which fuel islamophobia that's the truth. Becuae you sont see sikhismphobia or hindismphobia happening because there have been very litter to zero extremists using their religion to spread hate to the western world.

You realise those protests are not all white though? A significant number of Muslims will also have protested against racism.
The original posters was placing the blame on other Muslims for Muslim extremist behaviour, when Christians as a whole or white British in the UK are not personally held accountable for the actions of others within that demographic.

This.

On a numbers basis the number of recorded hate crimes against Muslims including assaults, property damage, etc. is similar to Jews

But there are 13x as many Muslims as Jews. So you're at least 10x more likely to have a hate crime committed against you if you're a Jew .