DH’s attitude re riots etc upsetting and angering me

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I feel so sick. Every time we talk about the riots, DH comes out with ‘well people are angry, etc’. He says he doesn’t condone violence, but there’s always a ‘but’. He voted Reform, I voted Lib Dem. I tell him he sounds racist in some of the comments he makes, which he vehemently denies.

He’s a loving, hardworking husband and father but… this! He is honestly a good man. I don’t know how to deal with it other than banning the subject. Has anyone else got very different political views from their spouse or partner?

No it doesn’t. Read the question.

You really shouldn't cherry pick the bits that support what you are saying, when in the same poll it shows 60% have sympathies with peaceful protestors, but only 8% with rioters.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-public-reaction-to-the-2024-riots

No I'm genuinely wondering if it will be broadcast as he's being sentenced this afternoon/evening at Westminster magistrates.

Don’t know where to start with this. The shouts of ‘racist’ on this thread are coming from those whose arguments are weak. Yours is non existent.

More bollocks. Try thinking before you post.

Not really, no. But if that’s what gives you comfort, by all means carry on.

"Racist" is the new "transphobic"

It's going to get work out and people will stop caring anyway. Not helpful for social cohesiveness if we're jumping on that for everything. As they say, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, so let's save the label for actual racists.

Well put👏👏👏

All we have heard for at least 8 years is the debate about immigration.

It led to the Brexit referendum and it shaped the campaign. It’s been endlessly, exhaustively, chewed over ever since. All the last government did was wang on about stopping the boats. The last 18 months’ political energy has been entirely, exclusively centred on immigration while everything else ground to a halt.

The idea that we’re not allowed to ‘debate the issue’ is utter nonsense. What we haven’t heard in at least 8 years is anyone having an honest conversation about the benefits of immigration. The fact that our economy depends on it. The reality that it isn’t immigration that broke the country. It isn’t why white working class people feel left behind. We don’t talk about the reasons why integration is failing in order to better integrate. We just whinge about immigration. On and on and on...

There’s been absolutely no attempt at all to talk the real talk.

We’ve just had right leaning parties and media titles screaming that immigration is bad, and now idiots on the streets burning stuff down screaming immigration is bad.

Dudes. You’ve absolutely dominated the debate. And yes, you’re angry. But that doesn’t mean the rest of us are. The majority of the UK apparently isn’t. In spite of 8 years of exclusive, exhausting focus.

enough now.

You really rate yourself don't you!? The sheer arrogance just pours out of your posts!

Think what you want. I'm not 'engaging' not because I have 'no argument' - but because it's not an argument I want to have with you. Have a nice evening.

100% this! 👏👏

Probably OK? 🙄

This is another thing people misunderstand... I'd say the falling birth rate is a good thing. Fact is, there ARE too many people in the UK. Whether those numbers are curtailed by Britons not having kids or by people not migrating here is irrelevant.

Contrary to popular belief, it's not ALL about immigration.

https://cps.org.uk/media/post/2024/mass-migration-not-delivering-promised-economic-benefits-say-jenrick-and-obrien/

The myth that immigration has been a benefit to all. Like Brexit, Covid, Austerity etc, we certainly are not all in it together. Some people have done very well out of immigration but the majority of working classes not so much.

The issue though is that as I previously showed. Parliament created an act allowing us to attempt to deal with immigration numbers. The law society (a society created for the benefit of Solicitors) among others kept putting obsticales in it's way to ensure they could continue their flourishing business in immigration appeals.

Now does that really sound like democracy to the majority to you?

And incidentally the law societies biggest demand wasn't for the good of humanity. It was could they get and increase legal aid money to represent their clients. If it was a truly altruistic act they would act on their behalf pro bono.

Lets consider where the money for legal aid comes from!

We certainly do have a time bomb with aging - but this isn't limited to people already resident here. Immigrants age, too. And immigrants bringing in their families also bring in elderly relatives who need or will need extra medical help and places in care homes etc.

Yet another poster shouting racist to support a weak argument - or in this case non existent.You obviously either haven’t read my post properly or haven’t understood what l’m saying. It’s nothing to do with ‘mens’ personalities’. The men doing the harassing in this case were doing so based on their own culture. When was the last time a white man challenged you for being out without a chaperone, or harassed you because you were dressed for hot weather ?

We know why the riots happened: because bad actors on social media, in political life and in main stream media have been pumping out vast amounts of misinformation and disinformation, putting the blame for people's miserable lives - their lack of access to healthcare and housing, and their poverty - squarely on the shoulders of asylum seekers and immigrants.

There's a vast, vast network of paid for far right propagandists - some of them working for interests whose aim is to destabilise centrist and centre left governments.

That’s part of it, but not the whole story.

You're quoting evidence from right wing politicians and a right wing think tank as though it's the final word on immigration.

As for your conspiracist suggestion that immigration lawyers are undermining British law with no other aim than to fill their pockets - immigration law is one of the most poorly paid areas of legal practice. A recent report from the Public Law Project points to a quadrupling of the of government immigration rules, long, long delays in processing by the home office and a 43% cut in legal aid spending is pushing legal practitioners to the brink, with lots experiencing burnout. Particularly as many of their clients are extremely vulnerable.

"And immigrants bringing in their families also bring in elderly relatives who need or will need extra medical help and places in care homes etc."

It's EXTREMELY difficult for immigrants to bring family members into the uk.

Not just parents but spouses.

From a recent parliamentary report:

"The arrival of spouses and partners of British citizens is deterred or delayed by the financial requirement and prohibitive application fees. Sufficient income may never be secured. Parents are forced to raise children alone, until they can be joined by their foreign partners. Children grow up without one of their parents. Current rules are so harsh that they effectively ban families from being joined in the UK by adult relatives from overseas for whom they are desperate to care—often an elderly parent. The rules, which were designed to reduce the workload of the NHS, overlook the contribution of dependent relatives to their families and society."

I'm so bored with reading commentary on immigration by people who not only know nothing about the realities of how our immigration system actually works, but who have no bloody interest in finding out.

The Law Society brought ZERO claims/cases and did ZERO lobbying regarding any Bills or Acts to do with immigration control.

I don’t know where you are getting your (mis)information from but almost every post you have made on this thread regarding law and the operation of parliament has been factually incorrect.

FYI - I’m an actual lawyer with a background in policy work.

Still won’t bother me. I am strong in my conviction - I allow them to have a choice - we debate issues, agree to disagree and we still do not love each other less. Maybe it’s because of where I am originally from, we do not see things as black or white - we tolerated each one another’s views. The only racism I have faced in this country was by an Asian line manager who thought I was not good enough to do the job I had been recruited to do because I wasn’t educated in this country. I worked my socks off to prove him wrong - he apologised (tacitly) and we became friends - attending barbecues in each other’s homes etc. That person put me through the worst form of torture and mental stress for the most part of a year or so, yet I learned to live with them amicably. Life is too short to bear grudges and put one’s self and others in boxes. There may be some conservative policies that one may agree with, some that one may not - just chop and change when it suits you - why not? There’s good and bad in everyone - all of us.

The simple solution to being unable to bring dependents into the UK would of course be to return to their home Country.

You describing that elderly relative coming to the UK to look after the workers child very much supports the issues many have.

The child will need schooling, medical care, dental care, housing etc etc. If eg Granny comes over to take care of the child while the parent is at work. She will need the above healthcare as well housing etc etc.