DH’s attitude re riots etc upsetting and angering me

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I feel so sick. Every time we talk about the riots, DH comes out with ‘well people are angry, etc’. He says he doesn’t condone violence, but there’s always a ‘but’. He voted Reform, I voted Lib Dem. I tell him he sounds racist in some of the comments he makes, which he vehemently denies.

He’s a loving, hardworking husband and father but… this! He is honestly a good man. I don’t know how to deal with it other than banning the subject. Has anyone else got very different political views from their spouse or partner?

Totally this. Violence is never the answer but God forbid we might ever be able to have an adult conversation about where all this resentment might stem from...

Again, when have you tried to have impactful conversations? And I don’t mean with your mates, when have you engaged with any politicians in a meaningful way to discuss these concerns?

All these people saying they have been oppressed haven’t actually attempted to discuss these things with their own or any other MPs.

My voice, my views? I am talking about open political discussion for all. When a legitimate view is shut down we all suffer.

I’m trying to get you to open up - who is shutting you down? I’m asking you questions. You are refusing to answer.

I’d like to hear when you have seen these discussions shut down - who is shutting them down? And I don’t mean this thread, I’m talking on a political level. I’d like to see and read about these instances for myself.

Only one person shutting down the conversation here and it isn’t the leftie.

Ha they really aren't for the majority of the UK who don't even vote.

I'm curious all of these staunch voters, did you read each manifesto? I did and it certainly isn't as clear cut. If you always vote Labour, I hope you at least read lib dem and green parties manifestos. They both represented a lot of traditional Labour policies.

Labour and Conservative manifestos aligned on a few key points, so those who would divorce their husbands for voting tory might want to understand that a bit more.

Sticking with one party isn't what some think it is

And before the prove it brigade appear...I won't be snipping out of each parties manifestos but have a read it's interesting.

OP just chat about each others thoughts, same as you would anything else.

You have to learn to live with it. My husband and I are in two camps politically. We are both black. One is conservative with a small c, the other is liberal but it does not affect our marriage in any way - 30 years and counting. I don’t know why people feel the need to impose their political views on others these days.

Isn't this thread a prime example? Anyone who posts suggesting we should look deeper into the causes of these riots has been met with disdain.

When Labour was last in government it really was a case that anyone who raised concerns about immigration was labelled as racist bigots. The message was always how immigration is a positive for our country. Fast forward to the Tory ruling years and the subject began to be spoken about. The opposition continued to call people who wanted to limit immigration as racist bigots.

That’s what opposing parties do, over all sorts of subjects. But it’s down to the government to come up with legitimate actions and out them forward to be voted for and acted upon.

I am not a Labour supporter but you cannot lump all the blame on them as your post is suggesting. The Tories had ample opportunity to make changes, but they failed, as they did on many issues. And people also need to use their voice if they want it to be heard. You can’t do nothing then kick off and violently attack local people and their livelihoods later.

@Forestofwoodandsteel

We may have had a tory government until recently but hardly right wing.

Christ, how right wing are you if you think the Tories aren't?!

@redposter You can't look at everything through a political lens. This is a social issue and needs society to come together and find a common ground.

This isn't about 'talking to MPs', it's about talking to - and understanding - each other.

I'm sure you think you know why people are 'angry' - but I would wager you haven't got a clue...

What if one was conservative with a massive C or Reform with a big R? Everyone has a line surely that they would feel meant they couldn't be in a relationship with someone.

You can’t sack an MP. They can only be got rid of via recall petition, which would be triggered by the right sort of conviction or which could be called by a big enough percentage of constituents. If someone was convicted of (some, not all) offences in the past I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong for them to be in there if they’ve disclosed it and been voted for.

This guy isn’t an MP though, he’s a councillor. Not sure of the rules there, but elected positions have different rules from jobs.

Neither of you are extremists though. Reform are an extreme party.

Enlighten me then, if you think I don’t know anything. Laughable considering I have said it’s about finding legitimate solutions which is precisely what you’re saying, but go on.

And I’m well aware that it is ALSO social, but it’s political too, how can you say it isn’t? how can people argue they have had their voices shut down if they haven’t tried to use them? Posters on here have said that they have been unable to express their emotions due to left wing politics stopping them - I’m asking about this, yet no one can give me any further details except one person who has blamed the Labour Party and that still doesn’t excuse the Tories lack of action.

This ridiculous argument makes me laugh every time 😂 I'm not the poster you're quoting, but being inclusive of 'different views' doesn't include racism and ignorance. You melon.

I'm not lumping all the blame on Labour as you have claimed. I am blaming them for historic mishandling of any discussion. It was for a very long time no debate, nothing to see here, anyone who objects is clearly a far right racist. The conservatives failed to improve the lives of millions of people during their 14 years. Austerity and capitalism has failed the working class people. I hope this new Labour government will improve our country for all of us and I want them to succeed.

To your last point I agree, I sincerely hope that things improve, it’s tough times at the moment and many people really need positive change.

Can you imagine how Billie Piper feels?

She married and had kids with the odious tosser Laurence Fox.

Hopefully the kids will be of an age where they just refuse to have anything to do with racist covid denying arse hole , but it must have been very upsetting handing them over to him for visits.

Respectfully, if people 'haven't given you further details', do you think that might have anything to do with your somewhat passive aggressive stance?

The fact is, anything I say to explain why I think things are the way they are, you'll find a way to discredit it. So there's no real point me engaging is there?

It's not my job to 'enlighten' you. Assuming you're fairly well educated, it's really not hard to work out why people across the country feel a certain way about things.
My guess, though, is you've no real interest in listening to them - especially when it's much easier to just call someone a racist 🤷‍♀️

It's my understanding that under LGA rules he would need to be given a custodial sentence of more than 3 months to be disqualified, otherwise he's there until the next election.

Ah okay, another one of those ‘I can’t explain for nefarious reasons’ and ‘it’s not my job’ you might as well say ‘do your own research’. Sure, okay love, whatever. Another classic case of can’t but pushes it back as it’s my problem - it’s the classic, we see it all the time on here. No argument so you pull out all the standard responses that mean you take no responsibility, whilst simultaneously saying that I can’t/don’t allow discussion.

Maybe you should go back and read through my posts and tell me exactly when I’ve called someone a racist? I haven’t called anyone who has voted Reform racist or anything. I’ve called the riots violent and racist, that’s it. You can point out to me where I haven’t understood why people are angry, you know, in between the points where I say that I accept that things aren’t being dealt with well.

But keep reaching.

RedPoster you really are quite fanatical aren’t you. Definitely showing intolerance at it’s finest

He “doesn’t condone the violence” so how is he racist? He just points out “people are angry” which is correct isn’t it? You can have sympathy for a cause ie Gaza but hate what they did to Isreal with killing civilians) or say illegal immigrants coming over the channel from France (a safe, first world nato and EU member). I support lots and lots of legal migration (families and not 90@ single young men) but do not accept people leaving France should be allowed in and use our limited resources. Therefore I despise what these idiot rioters are doing but understand their anger that no one listens to their concerns. Out of curiosity am i a racist too in your view as well? Genuinely interested.

It's so sad that you'd rather aggressively fight with everyone around you rather than join in with humour.

And no, I don't think people did realise schools would close when they did. And there were many who didn't believe schools and shops would close at all.

Perhaps when you've your PhD I might take you more seriously.

I used to be a Lib Dem councillor, and I found on the doorstep that lots of couples are poles apart in their political outlook, I guess they don't really talk about it. I have an FWB who is a Conservative voter, we just avoid talking politics