DH’s attitude re riots etc upsetting and angering me

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I feel so sick. Every time we talk about the riots, DH comes out with ‘well people are angry, etc’. He says he doesn’t condone violence, but there’s always a ‘but’. He voted Reform, I voted Lib Dem. I tell him he sounds racist in some of the comments he makes, which he vehemently denies.

He’s a loving, hardworking husband and father but… this! He is honestly a good man. I don’t know how to deal with it other than banning the subject. Has anyone else got very different political views from their spouse or partner?

Talking about immigration? They aren’t talking. They are rioting. And yes, they are racists.
Reform want to stop immigration altogether. That’s fantasy in practical terms, would be destructive anyway, and is absolutely a policy arising from racism. Voting for them is at the very least condoning racism.
I’m getting a bit sick of people bleating they ‘want to talk about immigration’ when they mean they don’t want to have to have people they perceive as foreign anywhere near them. Of course there’s a discussion to be had about managing immigration, particularly as global warming is going to create more refugees, but it isn’t going to be done at the end of a brick and it can’t be done with racist motives. Too many people who say they are ‘concerned’ aren’t prepared to actually discuss.

Same as we are sick of hearing people say left wing politics is the root cause.

Who are these left wing people who have been restricting your speech? Names please, I’d love to hear who these people are who have managed to control the non-left wing government who have been leading this country for years and have therefore been the ones to deal with any immigration issues that I’m sure you have voiced to your local MP directly.

The reports I’ve seen on GB news on the riots have presented quite a balanced view when you compare them with BBC and Sky etc. BBC are happy to perpetuate the opinion of whatever government is in power.

My issue is someone will say my opinion is people who vote Reform are racist or must be stupid (or in other discussions who vote Conservative are selfish bastards/stupid sheep etc) so I just won’t have anything to do with them.
Sweeping generalisations for others reasons are rightly seen as intolerant (immigrants are responsible for crime rises/pressure on services, benefit claimants are lazy/sponging off the state, Religious people are bigots etc). Why is it any more ok to have a sweeping generalisation about voting on the right (or indeed on the left)?

Balanced view? There isn’t any balance here. Rioting is absolutely wrong. If you are calling ‘good people on both sides’ here, you aren’t balanced. You are massively right wing and pro racism and violence.
GBNews isn’t a news channel by the way - that’s been stated by the regulatory body who could stop a lot of what it does if it qualified as a news station.

It’s not a sweeping generalisation to say rioters and Reform voters are racist or at least racist apologist. Sweeping generalisation would be saying everyone on the right was racist. Nobody is doing that. The6 are saying 9ne section of the right is racist. No generalisation involved.

We may have had a tory government until recently but hardly right wing.

Left wing Tories. That’s a stretch - even for mumsnet !!

@mrshoho

Actually yes, this Labour Councillor inciting violence calling for throats to be cut with the action. And crowds cheering him on is very worrying.

I absolutely condemn him doing this and those cheering him.

I refute that this example means left leaning voters are 'the most intolerant' when compared to the widespread unrest and rioting from right leaning / right wing people over the last few weeks.

Surely you don't genuinely think that over the last month or so (as an example) more left leaning people have called for violence than right leaning people? You can't have watched the news or experienced the reality of this unrest first hand if you actually believe that.

I think the difference is that all immigrants are not being led by someone who has a history of racist and sexist actions. Same as all left wing and right wing people don’t.

But within the Reform party there are people who do have such a history and the person leading them certainly does. Oh it isn’t directly ‘I hate women and people of colour’ but it’s close enough to the bone that he’s made his stance very clear. So much so that two candidates quit Reform citing racism and sexism.

So I think you cannot compare the two, in my personal view. Does this mean that all Reform voters are racist? To me no it doesn’t, I would want to hear their reasoning, same as with Brexit. But for others it’s making a clear cut statement - you’d have to have had your head in the same not to know that Farage is a racist and sexist individual and when you hammer your flag to that mast, some people cannot accept that. I struggled to accept those who voted Johnson for the same reason - he has happily outed himself as a racist, sexist, classist wanker. To me, how on earth could reconcile yourself with voting for such a person? I didn’t cut anyone out of my life for it because I know the strong feelings for the opposition, but I really struggled for a long time after Johnson won that election. I don’t hate all Tory voters or think they’re all racists, but I couldn’t get how anyone could vote for that man who had shown his colours so many times.

So no, I don’t think your comparisons are correct.

Well that seems to be her inferrance! She has been silenced by left wingers for so long that rioting is the only answer!!! Yet she’s been under a Tory government for a long time….

I beg to differ. Rioters in parts of the country that have been persistently subjected to austerity, cuts to public services and the people left to stagnate as a result, are much more likely to support extreme right wing ideologies because they’ve nothing left to lose. Nothing to do with racism and everything to do with government. And now new government is adding to that by the knee jerk reaction of branding rioters in all areas as racist thugs, instead of trying to at least understand the path that led them to that point. Not defending the rioters, before I’m flamed. There’s no excuse. But ignoring the underlying problem isn’t going to solve it.

Come on, answer my question. You’ve been been under a Tory government, so just right of central.

Who are these oppressive lefties who have been suffocating your voice? And how come you aren’t holding the Tories accountable for not listening to your wants and needs?

Who was your MP? Have you been to one of their surgeries to discuss your views and see what you can do?

Well the Tories have been held to account , have they not?

Of course I don't. I was responding to you saying you haven't seen any left leaning voters rioting or requiring police intervention. The crowd in the clip cheering on his calls for violence didn't appear to be disagreeing with him.

Have they? How?

And you still haven’t answered my questions.

Yes..at the ballot box..you recall the general election?

Okay, if you think that’s holding them to account then okay - this is your issue, not mine, so it’s your choice what a good outcome to you is. Doesn’t explain any of the things you’ve said so far, but okay.

Third time of mentioning that you still haven’t answered any of my questions, bar the above.

The post 8m media rely above yours has a poster saying they aren’t right wing. How right wing do you have to be not to see the last Tory administration as right wing?

The holding to account should have meant a court of law for some !!

The same thought crossed my mind when I read that comment !!

You don’t riot shouting racist things if you aren’t racist, whatever other things might be at the root of your anger.

He won't be out of a job. Convicted criminals are sitting in HoC.

When else would they be held to account?

No, I’m asking you why you haven’t held them to account.
You don’t seem to be interested in holding them to account despite the fact that the issues you’re concerned about would have been their responsibility to fix. You instead came here and started talking about left wing people who haven’t let you have a debate. Yet you’re unable to say who these people are considering you’ve been under Tory governing.

According to you, these violent riots are the result of left wing issues - so you think that holding left wing people to account is by rioting. Why is it that the Tories only get elected out? When surely the responsibility lies at their feet? Why didn’t you riot then? Or is this actually about something else?

Who was your MP until the election? how many times did you visit them in surgery to discuss your concerns? Who are these left wing people who haven’t let you talk? And how? Come on, explain your viewpoints.