DH’s attitude re riots etc upsetting and angering me

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I feel so sick. Every time we talk about the riots, DH comes out with ‘well people are angry, etc’. He says he doesn’t condone violence, but there’s always a ‘but’. He voted Reform, I voted Lib Dem. I tell him he sounds racist in some of the comments he makes, which he vehemently denies.

He’s a loving, hardworking husband and father but… this! He is honestly a good man. I don’t know how to deal with it other than banning the subject. Has anyone else got very different political views from their spouse or partner?

Educate me then. Show me my mistake.

You're sounding increasingly ignorant with every post.

It isn't my job to educate you, but I suggest that you go and read up on the role of the House of Lords and the limits of their veto.

I would also suggest that you familiarise yourself with our parliamentary system so that you understand that having enough MPs to pass legislation doesn't necessarily mean that a majority of the electorate voted for it. That isn't how FPTP works.

No it doesn’t. The Lords can’t hold the commons for ever - and not at all if it was a manifesto commitment. I think you are the one who doesn’t understand.

Nope. Most Bills are resented not the government. Very few are ‘an MP’. If any. Motions, yes. bills, no.

You know your husband better than anyone on this thread & you will know if he is a racist or not.

If you know he is not , there should be no issue about who he voted for.
People will differ on their feelings for each party , Green V Conservative, Labour V lib dem etc & etc...... Reforn V Conservative, Reform V every other party ?

You may not agree with his choice of politcal party , but you may also disagre with his other preferences ie food , alcohol, music , work ethic, parenting , domestic habits , parenting , sport , hobbies , books , views on equality , choice on film so many things ......

Voting for a political party , should not be a deal breaker. It depends on the whole package.

I have friends from all political parties , I don't have friends that are ; racist , sexist , violent , cruel & hopefully not biggoted , as all these things would be the deal braker for me....... & if I found out that they had these negative bad qualities, I would ditch them.

As I said, you know the man & what he is like.

Do you mean the parliaments act? The one that has been used 7 times in the past 100 and something years, despite thousands of different bills going through the houses, the one which requires very precise and particular circumstances to have taken place over a long period of time?

So who then comes into parliament and proposes said Bill that is to be discussed and possibly become law?

The government. Obviously one person leads the presentation, but it’s not individual MPs who write and present Bills. It’s a lot more complicated than that.

Any MP can present a bill. Be they government or opposition. Nobody has ever said that they alone wrote the thing. That is why we have elections.

But though Rwanda was never going to happen, it was a policy of sorts. Now there isn't one. I suggest housing asylum seekers in leafy suburbs.

Yes there is. Again, someone posted an article about it ages ago. And Rwanda wasn’t a policy. It was a dog whistle.

That doesn't mean they might move from one party to another over time, as the parties themselves change.

I’m not even sure what you are arguing for or why anymore. Reform are racists. If you’re ok with that, fine. It makes you seem pretty unpleasant, but hey ho. Democracy. Just remember they aren’t a political party though - they’re a private company controlled by Farage. You don’t have any say in the leadership or direction of the party.
And that’s all I’m going to say.

I loathe the term 'dogwhistle'. Why don't you say the policy was intended as a sop to racists?

Well dm died at 86. Always voted the same.

Im 60 and DH is 66, we’ve always voted the same.

There is such a thing as party loyalty. They don’t change that drastically.

Ok. Rwanda wasn’t a policy it was a sop to racists.

In YOUR opinion reform are racists. Now as I am not the one throwing around insults I'd suggest I'm considerably more moderate in my outlook than you, and suggest the moral high ground you are trying to put yourself on is looking mighty shaky.

The Labour party has gone from being a party that supported working-class people and their aspirations to a middle-class/Guardianista party full of people who don't know what a woman is,and think democracy is only allowed if they agree with it.
Mind, they always were about control.
Socialist myself. No-one to vote for.

Much better. Also more truthful.

As I said, it isn't my job to educate you and I'm not going to attempt to explain how our complicated constitution works in a short MN post. Do some reading - a good quality children's book will probably tell you what you want to know better than Wikipedia etc.

A book like this one Mrs Bennet?

publiclawforeveryone.com/2015/05/11/replacing-the-human-rights-act-the-house-of-lords-the-parliament-acts-and-the-salisbury-convention/

The thing is, you really don't sound like you know what you're talking about, so maybe you really do think that Reform are moderate and not racist, who knows?

Reform absolutely is a racist party. It's hard to know whether that means that you are racist too or just not very good at understanding what you're voting for.

You understand that’s an article and not a book, @ATenShun?!

No, I would go for something a bit more basic as your comprehension skills don't seem quite up to the link that you posted.

I think Andrew Marr published a kids' book called Who's in Charge. Not sure if it's still available but I'm guessing that it probably includes an explanation of how our parliament works.