DH’s attitude re riots etc upsetting and angering me

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I feel so sick. Every time we talk about the riots, DH comes out with ‘well people are angry, etc’. He says he doesn’t condone violence, but there’s always a ‘but’. He voted Reform, I voted Lib Dem. I tell him he sounds racist in some of the comments he makes, which he vehemently denies.

He’s a loving, hardworking husband and father but… this! He is honestly a good man. I don’t know how to deal with it other than banning the subject. Has anyone else got very different political views from their spouse or partner?

It's all part of extremism.... if I don't remember, it didn't happen.

This is part of the issue. Some people forget and refuse to hear others remember and let their emotions get the better of them.

OP, we can't all have political views the same. Living in a society that offers different political views is positive. It's how we handle and address those views. Try to ask the right questions, don't get angry at him for his opinions, after all we're fortunate not to live in a one party dominate state. Alternatively, avoid political situations.

I can understand some of the reasons why people are angry, the fact a bunch of violent thugs have jumped on the band wagon and turned what could have been a decent protest into a riot is not acceptable but was however inevitable. Maybe now prison sentences are being handed out it may deter these thugs and enable the peaceful protests to take place.

Of course there are many many countries who practice one religion. The middle east being littered with countries who do. I am not a practicing Christian, but I believe in the Christian way of life, as do most of us in the UK. You dont need to go to church to be a Christian.

What is the Christian way of life? Checking to see if I believe in it.

Three Taylor Swift concerts have now been cancelled because of an actual Islamist terrorist attack threat with one arrest of a 19 year old Muslim in Vienna.

My mixed race partner can't understand why white men did nothing after Muslims murdered white children at the Arianna Grande islamic terror attack in Manchester. He asks me what are their fathers doing. We are of course told here it's racist to be angry that Islamists want to murder young girls even though they make it very clear to us that's what they are in Europe to do.

It depends though on the context of being 'racist'. You can be accused of racism just because you have concerns about immigration, or if you call-out a celeb of colour for being an arse. The word gets shouted out so often these days, usually by people who do it for effect if someone voices a concern that they dont like. Its a way of shutting people down when someone's losing an argument.

What would you like white men to do?
What for instance, should fathers do when white men are shooting up the US schools daily?

You are being deliberately obtuse.

You don’t have to be a churchgoer to be culturally Christian.

Me? I posted what my mixed race partner thinks. This thread is about what the OPs partner thinks.

I see. Do explain. I am definitely not a churchgoer, or an anything goer. What is culturally Christian, exactly? Being anti-abortion in the US? Is that Christian?

Yes, but the thread has moved on and the OP has probably left. I am really curious to see what your partner thinks white dads should do against Islamist terrorists.

Agree. And I get fed up when everyone who celebrates eid wants to have the whole workplace adapt- we have to be sensitive when eating due to our Muslim colleagues fasting. Or pick up the slack so that they can take weeks off (not just days) to accommodate it. Or when we can't have meetings on Fridays because they have to have time off for regular prayers. And Christianity is not forced on anyone. We're fortunate enough not to be judged in this country whilst Muslims are judged by their own people every day if they dont follow Islam and its 'rules'.

That’s extremely offensive.

For someone who always seems to be at pains to make out they are on the moral high ground on these threads, you have resorted bad faith postings designed for attention.

Google grooming gangs, and you will see the majority are of Asian/Pakistani descent. Facts are there. Another example of someone screaming racist because they have nowhere else to go with their weak argument.

I see @Twistybranch Personally, I get fed up when values often shared by many communities- and by atheists even- are trumpeted as Christian values.

Anti-abortionists are not Christian, apparently. They are a fringe group, despite making most of the US bend to their will.

I doubt you are based on the previous questions you posted but he does see liberal white women as a big part of the problem and I can't help but agree with him based on this thread.

Well now we're coming to the crux. Your partner dislikes strong white women having a voice and having their own identity. I pity you being married to someone who clearly disrespects women. Shameful that you're married to someone with these views.

I don't really understand the City/United comparison. That, to me, doesn't seem like a clash of fundamental values. Of course, people are passionate about their football, but it isn't really related to questions of morality.

For me, being with a radical Islamist or a far right extremist would be intolerable because our values could not possibly align. I'm surprised that you would think this doesn't matter, and can only assume that you must conduct your relationships in ways that I find utterly incomprehensible.

For me, shared values are at the centre of any close relationship or friendship. I can't quite get my head around how things would work without that common ground, but wax to their own.

Google it. Or read a bible. I’m sure that’s within your capabilities…..

Still waiting to hear what Christian values are. Maybe I should start another thread because no one is able to explain to me. it's a fuzzy term. Instead, they just accuse me of obtuseness.

Corinithians: The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

You mean Bible verses like these, which no one but the most extreme actually follow? I can find verses like that in every religion, really. So the question is: what do you think Christian values are, because I doubt the majority of British people agree with that.

That's the exact waffle you would expect!

His experience of liberal white women is that their standards are so low they will excuse anyone doing anything and force their men to sit down instead of protecting their families.

What a load of fucking bullshit. Literally nobody is telling you that it's racist to be angry about Islamists murdering young girls. But if you are targeting ordinary Muslims because of this, or assuming that all Muslims are the same, then of course that is incredibly Islamophobic and probably racist to boot.

More Bible verse @Livelovebehappy : Leviticus: If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

Clearly we don't follow that any more, thank goodness. Therefore I think your argument appears to be that Britons should pick and choose from Bible verses to choose an up-to-date version of Christianity. If such is the case, so can people who don't want to follow Christian values, because all religions are pretty much outdated.

It's interesting isn't it, I write liberal and the reply is disrespects strong women.

Liberal doesn't mean strong, it means anything goes! We used to say woolly minded liberals because they are so wishy wasn't they will agree to everyone and everything even when in direct contradiction. This is because they don't really have any values, and are foolish enough to believe that leaving the door open doesn't attract criminals.

My partner is from a black country and has grown up knowing that you protect your family.

Different values.

Literally lots of people are on here and elsewhere. I mean you can't even get past two sentences without a "but racist islamaphobe" warnings can you?