DH’s attitude re riots etc upsetting and angering me

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I feel so sick. Every time we talk about the riots, DH comes out with ‘well people are angry, etc’. He says he doesn’t condone violence, but there’s always a ‘but’. He voted Reform, I voted Lib Dem. I tell him he sounds racist in some of the comments he makes, which he vehemently denies.

He’s a loving, hardworking husband and father but… this! He is honestly a good man. I don’t know how to deal with it other than banning the subject. Has anyone else got very different political views from their spouse or partner?

Tell me, would you listen to me if I put a brick through your window? Or would you call the police and expect me to be locked up?

It’s absolutely not the fault of the immigrant. It’s the fault of a political party famous for divide and rule and not caring about anyone but the rich.

Not just October to January. 😉

And also, how does smashing up independent shops of local people help to affect the current migrant situation?

It’s almost as if the two have nothing in common.

It’s almost as if smashing up and robbing a local jewellers owned by a local white family is just an excuse to go robbing…

But no, there must be a serious link between robbing goods from locals no matter their skin colour or ethnic background is linked to getting the government to address their immigration policies.

It's a secular country that observes christian ceremonies.

You'll find more people at B&Q, Ikea or the Shopping Centre on a Sunday than you will in Church and Christmas is celebrated not by a modest and solemn reflection of the birth of Jesus Christ in Church, but by...more shopping and partying.

Christianity in this country used to be a unifier. I grew up, child of second generation immigrants, going to a school that had a great influx of immigrant children. We sang hymns every morning, regardless of where you came from. I still remember singing the Lord of the Dance, and Morning Has Broken and Together We Learn To Read And Write (can't remember what that was called) etc and our headmaster prayed with us. But somewhere, someone thought all that wasn't politick, and decided that we would all be indoctrinated in post modernist rhetoric each assembly instead. Concentrate not on all being children in christ, but on being individuals and celebrating our differences became the overarching thing. Not that we didn't learn about other traditions etc., but the feeling was they were secondary to the country's prevailing tradition in focus.

Now white indigenous people hardly attend church and ironically it is the immigrants from majority christian countries attending and keeping the traditional churches going in many areas, because they still take Christianity seriously. Immigrants with other religions and from countries where having children is more likely to be perceived as aspirational, tend to practice their faith more sincerely, and have more children so their faith grows in influence. Again, very ironically, Muslims will show respect for Jesus at least as a prophet ,and will spend time talking about that. So will Hindus to a degree. But strangely it is taboo to talk about Jesus to native white British people lol!

The State Church meanwhile groans under the temple of secular postmodernist woke think. The impression then is that non-indigenous faith groups like muslims are 'taking over our Christian country' and it only takes one person doing something stupid, like trying to please everyone by removing some traditionally perceived Christian tradition, for people to get upset and start seeing each new mosque as 'threatening' instead of people saying 'Where is our Christian tradition?'. You can bet your life most people complaining about mosques and immigrants never, or hardly ever, attend church and have maybe two kids max.

It all leads to where we are. Policy, social change, secularism.

Absolute nonsense. 4 months lol. All we ever do is think about and respect other religions. We want to celebrate our lord and saviour Jesus Christ if that offends you tough luck.

It depends on who you think is putting the brick through your window. Is it someone who is out to protest a legitimate cause, or a thug out to hijack the situation for their own ends ?

There was a small gathering of about 100 pensioners in London, quietly demonstrating against the cuts to winter fuel payment. Along came the thugs, police arrested everyone. Didn’t distinguish between the rioters and the peaceful protesters.

I know that, but PPs have asked for nuanced discussion and seem to think voting right wing parties is the answer and anyone who doesn't understand why people voted for right wing parties is an idiot.

We want to celebrate our lord and saviour Jesus Christ if that offends you tough luck.

Not sure you've quite got the whole "Turn the other cheek" thing there.😂

Why would you turn the other cheek to someone offended by your religion ? That’s not what Christianity is about.

First of all, I'm not rioting and never have.
Secondly, I never said there was 2 tier policing in Southport, I actually haven't mentioned southport at all. As you know I was talking about Rotherham. I would suggest you actually read my posts!
I am not a reform voter either if that's your next attack. I live in an area that had election candidates, (white and asian) campaigning on the issue of grooming gangs! It's a huge issue in some places. Even my very left wing husband can see the truth of it.

I've never knowingly snogged a Tory, far less fucked one. Finding out someone I was in a relationship with voted for the xenophobic Reform party would practically make my vaj slam shut.

I completely agree with you.

I don’t believe that this is all completely race driven. There are a lot of racist people rioting, and racists certainly started this, but I also think there are an awful lot of people rioting who would just join any riot, regardless of the cause. Similar to those thugs who used to join football hooligan organised fights. It had very little to do with football and everything to do with fighting.

Maybe they do it because they just want to cause discontent? Maybe it’s to feel part of something? Maybe it’s because they are simply criminals who would already be behind bars but aren’t due to overcrowding?

I find what is happening so shocking. I can’t believe how it is spreading around the country and gaining momentum every day. There is some massive undercurrent that the general population had no knowledge of until now. Work needs to be done to find out why this is happening because I don’t buy that it is just a reaction to the tragedy in Southport. That sparked something for sure, but everyone jumping on the bandwagon indicates it’s more than just that.

What has Rotherham got to do with this? Are you saying people are rioting because of grooming gangs? And grooming gangs are only non white are they? Encouraging/ justifying the rioting online, btw, is part of the riots and as just as deplorable

For me personally, I don't claim to be morally higher than anyone else. I don't condone rioting but I say that from a somewhat privileged position in that immigration has brought no negatives into my life.

I have a nice home, decent career. I don't currently rely on any services with long waiting lists. I'm lucky.

I can't speak for someone who has potentially only seen the negatives of immigration. Nor can I really sit here and tell people with lived experiences that they're wrong. It is the "easy" option to cry racist, thug etc.

The fact is I'm a privileged white woman. I don't have experience of racism. I trust that the people who do are conveying the truth of their experiences. So for balance, I have to trust that the people who are negatively impacted by immigration are conveying the truth of their experiences. Have they been misled into blaming immigration for their problems? Quite possibly. But then more effort needs to be made to address misconceptions.

It was only a matter of weeks ago that the government of the time were blaming all our ills on "small boats" and saying they'd all be shipped off to Rwanda. Suddenly when groups of the public agree, they've become the far right! How does that even make sense?

A lot of it is definitely just criminality. They wouldn’t be crying in court if they genuinely were fighting for a cause they believed in.

If you genuinely felt like immigration was an issue you wouldn’t be stealing cosmetics. Or smashing up Greggs. Or your local whatever, owned and run by local people.

For a lot of people it’s not about political issues whatsoever. If it were, they would have stopped when they discovered that the 17 year old is a British Christian from a devout Christian family. It’s about an excuse to run riot and use murdered little girls names and black skin for excuses.

I do not agree with violence from either side of the riots, though there comes a breaking point for everyone.

I can see why the riots started, right or wrong, misguided or not.

I really don't see why I should be responsible for Rotherham anymore than my postie should be responsible for Wayne Couzens.

The thugs beating up all brown people are making that argument.

If I get angry I manage not to set light to property and attack people. I'm also able to recognise someone desperate to leave their country, living in poverty has far more in common with me than some wanker who thinks chucking bricks around will somehow rectify the deaths of children. These rioters are after their own jollies. This is their version of living their best life.

I'm not sure what relevance this has to anything. Why are you asking this question?

To answer it frankly though; these days, and for many years, none at all (or, at least, not the sort of "immigrants" that I guess you're talking about). When I was at school a close friend and her family had been forcibly expelled from Uganda and another friend was also of Indian heritage but really that was all.

Oh, there were also people of Portuguese, Italian and Ukrainian heritage but, perhaps for you, they don't count?

As I mentioned, a close friend came to the UK when she was 7 having been chucked out of their country by Idi Amin. From the BBC:

Ugandan Asians in Peterborough celebrate 50 years in 'welcoming city'

Another friend, her father had been recruited from India as a GP and was, incidentally, our family GP.

But that was two of of around 30 or so friends.

These days, I have a number of friends who are Polish, Latvian, Ukrainian and Russian (and the Russians and Ukrainians actually still get on with each other even after the invasion).

In contrast I literally know absolutely nobody at all who is of South Asian, Middle Eastern or African heritage.

What relevance does it have as to how many Poles or Russians I happen to know? They are all immigrants, some are also British nationals now as well. Perhaps that doesn't count as far as you are concerned?

You are right about this. My child attends Catholic school there is a large section of black children, some Hindus and a good mix of Muslims. I’d say her class is probably half white half other. Her catholic school is much more diverse than her non religious primary school. RE is compulsory three times a week and they learn about all religions and have lots of visitors from all sections of the community. I think the decline of Christianity in this country is a real shame as from my experience it brings people together. White people in this country have turned more atheist in recent years I think it’s a shame. Then complain that other religions are taking over.

He voted reform. He’s either a racist or thick as mince. You have to decide which one he is and make peace with it (or don’t).

It was only a matter of weeks ago that the government of the time were blaming all our ills on "small boats" and saying they'd all be shipped off to Rwanda. Suddenly when groups of the public agree, they've become the far right! How does that even make sense?

Because that government was in fact pandering to the far right all along, hoping to stop its support ebbing away to Reform.

Why did they start?

Why do they target any brown person regardless of whether or not they are U.K. citizens & I don't hear about white australia migrants getting dragged out of their car and harassed.

Sympathisers like you are part of the problem.

These are not anti-immigration riots (otherwise the same people would have an issue with unskilled white immigration) it's a riot about making Britain WHITE again.

OP, I have some different political views from some of my partner’s. We share a lot of values but we don’t see eye to eye on everything. I’m more left wing and he’s more libertarian. He’s more “angry” and often sees the other side as simply totally wrong. I was that way when younger but have definitely become more “two sides to every issue” as I’ve got older.

We discuss politics. Mainly the things we agree on, but sometimes the issues we don’t. We are careful with each other when we don’t agree. We generally think well of each other so if the other has a different opinion on something we listen. We aren’t as sweeping in our statements or as scathing in our opinions when we expound as we would be if we agreed. We respect the fact there are differences and we’ve come to understand more about the other’s perspective. There’s nothing where we simply wouldn’t talk about it but we do tend to keep more to the issues we generally agree on.