DH’s attitude re riots etc upsetting and angering me

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I feel so sick. Every time we talk about the riots, DH comes out with ‘well people are angry, etc’. He says he doesn’t condone violence, but there’s always a ‘but’. He voted Reform, I voted Lib Dem. I tell him he sounds racist in some of the comments he makes, which he vehemently denies.

He’s a loving, hardworking husband and father but… this! He is honestly a good man. I don’t know how to deal with it other than banning the subject. Has anyone else got very different political views from their spouse or partner?

Clinton called Trump's supporters 'deplorables'. Not a bright thing to say if you want people to vote for you and showed she did not give a flying f* for those Americans who had been left behind by developments in America over the last decades in pursuing climate change, environmentalism etc.
The people now protesting have also been left behind. They are in decaying towns and cities - which is why they are chosen to house asylum seekers, an event they read as meaning no-one gives a damn what they think - and they see no way out for their families. Johnson listened and he was ousted from the Tory leadership for doing so (not that he addressed the problem btw) and Starmer et al are not listening at all, they think working-class people are racist bigots who they need to re-educate (someone on this board has already suggeste OP's DH needs educating) and generally tell to shut up and put up with your lot. Not surprising bricks and worse are being thrown around.

This thread is the exact reason that things have reached the point they have.

Side 1 has percieved valid concerns, Side 2 wont discuss it and reverts to names like racist and biggot to close down discussion.
Thats worked for a good few years, but like any wound it festers.
Now unless people are prepared to look at things and decide how to fix this, it isnt going to go away it will build until we really have something to complain about.

I can see how the murder of three children is going to incite anger on a mass scale.

It was predictable.

It's not right but it was predictable.

Murders spark outrage

you mean protest with the people that want to protect our western Christian values ...oh wait !

Why, I listen to anti-migrant’s reasons. Trouble is, they are mostly too dumb to understand that the problems they complain about are not actually caused by the immigrants (but don’t want to listen to what actually caused their issues). That leaves the arguments about threatening “our way of life” and just not liking people of other cultures moving in which is racist. So either they are racist and use economic issues as an excuse to let their racism out, or they are racist and with zero critical thinking skills too.
(and guess what, statistically most people are actually not very clever at all, thats just the reality of life)

hello Mrs Lee Anderson!

He has a wife? 😳

Yes, they are already busy protesting for the safety of our women, children and British (Christian derived) Values. 👌

" I do think we might get further in stopping it in future if we recognise the whys rather than just pontificate about bad, stupid people which let’s face it is mostly just a way of reassuring others we are good and clever".

Absolutely nailed it @Poppycornfields

I live in an area of high immigration and the landscape has completely changed over the last few years as a result. Where I live there is a language barrier, people don’t integrate and the crime rate is high. Our local church has closed its’ doors due to disrepair. There are two mosques. Our local council decided not to put up a Christmas tree last year in the town because of fear of causing offence to non Christian’s (sod the Christian’s themselves, clearly their voices don’t count). They were going to do the same with the Christmas market until there was protest.

My daughter is putting herself through college by working as a care worker and is doing varying shifts. She’s been accosted by non white men several times in recent weeks asking why she’s out at all hours without a ‘chaperone’ and she and several of her friends have been targeted for wearing sleeveless tops and shorts during the hot weather.

Southport was nothing to do with immigration - beyond the lies and misinformation that sparked the riots. What’s happened since then I think is a knock on effect. People are angry at the lack of investment in infrastructure to support immigration. Here, at least, they’re angry about the amount of harassment of our female children. There’s a six week wait for a doctors’ appointment and hospital appointments are months away - that may be nothing at all to do with immigration, as with the housing situation, but the perception is that it is.

We’ve had a change of government - for context I voted labour myself. And within a month we’ve had a signal that they are just Tories under a different name. A £22bn ‘black hole’ in the country’s finances to justify immediate cuts to spending, including the WFP for pensioners and scrapping the cap on social care charges. And yet they can find the funds for a whopping 22% pay rise for junior doctors. Dressing up political choice as necessity - we’ve had fourteen years of it.

We’ve had another signal that come October there will be more cuts to public spending, including, inevitably welfare. Straight out of the Tory playbook of 2010 to justify austerity. People are sick of it, and even sicker that a new government that we looked to for change are just giving us more of the same, blaming and jailing the perpetrators (despite an earlier statement that jails were over populated and some offenders would be released) instead of acknowledging that the country is broken by fourteen years of Tory noses in the trough. It absolutely doesn’t justify rioting, but it also doesn’t justify swallowing wholesale, the government telling you it’s just thugs and thickos. There are those who feel they have no voice and those of you who don’t live in high immigration areas have no room to tell those who do that ‘our culture isn’t threatened by immigrants’, or to condemn us as racists when nothing could be further from the truth.

Agree.

Would the local government or police cover it up if they did?

My DH is apolitical and generally doesn't talk politics. If I thought for a single minute that he condoned the behaviour that could have resulted in the death of children, immigrants or otherwise, he'd be shown the door.

What did these people think what was going to happen. Is that really what they want.

For your DH and anyone else defending these men…

The riots are planned for London today.

There are multiple videos of gang members ready to fight them.

I assume if you think the behaviour of the men rioting is justified, you will also think the behaviour of the men defending themselves is justified.

I don’t want to hear anyone complaining about violent gangs if they have no problem with these riots or feel they are justified in some way.

I think sometimes you have to agree to disagree and just never talk about it again. I have family members with similar views and it's not for me to try and change that as i wouldnt want them to change mine and it just ends in arguments. They know my view, I know theirs, we don't agree that will not change so I'm not willing to discuss it

I agree with the Christmas tree thing.

Not everyone is a Christian so why should there be loads of Christian displays everywhere in public spaces at Christmas. Christmas really is over the top. Christians can celebrate Christmas privately in their own house

Well actually the country listened to Brexit voters despite “experts” explaining that (1) it won’t reduce the immigration and (2) we will all be much poorer as a result.

guess what happened! We have cost of living crisis and are all poorer and immigration wasn’t reduced because it wasn’t caused by the EU.

Why should we continue to listen and pander to these people?

I’ve just read the first sentence and it’s crap. There is no open borders policy from the new government. Have you even looked at what they’ve said? Someone posted it earlier on this thread, so it’s not hard to find. I’. Not reading the rest because the ignorance in that first sentence is horrifying and shows you’ve been taken in - and yes, possibly even radicalised - by liars.

We are a society based on trust and also a society with a strong bias against corruption. If this is not being undermined then why am I, for the first time in my life, being asked to provide ID at a polling station whilst nothing is done to prevent 'community leaders' from delivering the votes of their entire communities - though how they do this is not examined.
But there is a threat to Western European culture, unique in its invention of democracy, of the rule of law not men, of introducing women's rights etc. These values have been attacked by those who would 'de-colonize' the world without any understanding of world history or European contribution to that history, except to say that European history is uniquely evil. That feels like an attack on my culture and values.

You said that your daughter was harassed by non white men.

I've been groped and harassed by white men on the subway.

It's not do with colour. It's to do with the mens personalities

Imagined threat? Have you looked how many women in the U.K. are killed by men in the U.K.? Most of those murderers are white.

This is basic GCSE geography eg describe some negative factors of immigration? It is not racist FFS

He thinks public services are not up to the strain of serving the population. Well matey, you did vote tory who cut public funding so.....

How has that outrage about the murder of little girls by a Christian manifested as attacks on mosques?

A small village near us has a big hotel. The illegal immigrants were housed there for 16 weeks. In those weeks there were three rapes and one knifing. So yes, I can understand their anger.

I've always felt walk a mile in their shoes before dismissing protestors.

I've friends in W Yorkshire who moved away from the outskirts of an infamous town because of their fears.

The rioters, looters do piggy back on protesters which is abhorrent.