“I also think the where there is a concern the IOC should have been in a position to document and state forcefully that they have conducted X,Y and Z test and can state objectively that there are no concerns etc.”
Yes. But this is the crux of the matter.
IOC have a general policy of inclusion above fairness. They stopped sex testing back in late 90s under pressure from campaign groups for exactly this purpose. To allow these particular male athletes, those with DSDs with male virilisation to compete. Then due to Hubbard, they changed their policy again, ie after the changes in 2018 demanding in a few athletics events that these male athletes with DSDs (after Rio 800 m ) reduce their testosterone. This 2021 change declared it was sporting federations responsibility to set policy, not IOC. And IOC can then maintain their stance on inclusion (and sporting federations left to deal with the mess).
Therefore, IBA set the policy. IOC then announced IBA not organizing the 2024 Olympic boxing and this left female boxing without the protection that the IBA set up. Because the IOC declared it was IOC rules = inclusion.
Therefore the IOC don’t care that these athletes are male. The passport says female and that is all the IOC wants to know.
“document and state forcefully that they have conducted X,Y and Z test and can state objectively that there are no concerns etc.” doesn’t work in light of the disparity between IOC and IBA regulations.
I understand that all this sparple about IBA and its president and the false statements from the IOC re them not getting the results etc is confusing the issue. And yes, there had to be a better way for the IBA to do testing (but look at dope testing, it often leads to disqualification after events too).
I was trying to point out that it really is simple when you cut through the emoting and the politicking.
The IOC are wrong. They are wrong on multiple counts of prioritising inclusion above female athletes physical safety and removing their equal opportunities. They are also wrong because as Semenya points out, Semenya and Mboma etc have been discriminated against directly now by IOC in the unequal handling between sports too.
The IOC is struggling here but relying on the hyperemotional messaging that is clearly convincing those who either have no understanding of the conditions or the sports and the IOC have framed any female boxer as being ‘the problem’ and now worthy of abuse and derision.
I never assumed you and I disagreed, it wouldn’t even matter if we did. I was just trying to make it simpler for you to cut through all the emotional reasoning etc.
If someone agrees that no male with pubertal advantage should be competing in female sports, it really is simple.
And for every sad back story of a male person that should be excluded, there will be female athletes with similar backgrounds that are being harmed because those males are included. Not many, in fact pretty much none, posters citing these sad back grounds ever mention the female athletes who have been harmed. I call that misogyny under the guise of inclusivity.