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To ask if you think the Olympic boxers are male?

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ArabellaScott · 06/08/2024 15:22

The finals for both boxers are tonight and tomorrow.

I'm curious to hear whether people think they are females with a DSD, or males with a DSD.

YABU - they're female
YANBU - they're male

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Chichimcgee · 06/08/2024 20:02

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HowardTJMoon · 06/08/2024 20:04

Chichimcgee · 06/08/2024 19:47

You're finding it so hard to accept the facts so try to make out that someone being biologically male is 'alt-right' and a single twitter post about a topic that is in every news outlet must mean someone is trawling through twitter for hours. Either accept the facts and grow up or go and play with your rainbow flags and let the grown ups talk about how wring it is for men to hit women for entertainment

So as long as they're male it's ok to repeatedly post crotch pics? Or is it only ok if they're male and they hit women? What about women that hit men? Can I repeatedly post crotch pics of them?

Is someone repeatedly shitposting the same video representative of "the grown ups" talking? I'd expect better of a 12 year-old.

As for telling me to go and play with my rainbow flags... Boy, the resemblance to the behaviour of the alt-right is remarkable, isn't it? Any minute now you'll call me a soy-boy cuck and tell me to cry more.

TheKeatingFive · 06/08/2024 20:05

Yet people are so quick to attack, to call her a cheat and a woman beater, to say 'if I was her I would do the right thing and just pull out of boxing' after ONE TEST.

For clarity, there have been two tests.

Women's safety, dignity and opportunity is at stake here. It is quite something to see people value these things so little.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/08/2024 20:07

Yawn. As if we've not been called alt-right before. It doesn't work. We're not shutting up.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 20:08

Yet people are so quick to attack, to call her a cheat and a woman beater, to say 'if I was her I would do the right thing and just pull out of boxing' after ONE TEST.

Two tests. I doubt they've come as a shock to Khelif, either.

Anyotherdude · 06/08/2024 20:08

ArabellaScott · 06/08/2024 19:04

I'm with you on the IOC failure. I'd suggest the key issue is whether someone has gone through male puberty, rather than current T levels.

That said, any male who knowingly punches women I struggle to sympathise with tbh.

But you don’t know if she feels like a male. In her head, she’s a woman, and her whole identity has been built on boxing against women, as a woman.
That she has been allowed, by the IOC, to continue has clearly reinforced her belief that it must be fair.
It must be an awful situation to be in, and I actually feel sorry for her…

HowardTJMoon · 06/08/2024 20:08

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Chichimcgee · 06/08/2024 20:09

HowardTJMoon · 06/08/2024 20:04

So as long as they're male it's ok to repeatedly post crotch pics? Or is it only ok if they're male and they hit women? What about women that hit men? Can I repeatedly post crotch pics of them?

Is someone repeatedly shitposting the same video representative of "the grown ups" talking? I'd expect better of a 12 year-old.

As for telling me to go and play with my rainbow flags... Boy, the resemblance to the behaviour of the alt-right is remarkable, isn't it? Any minute now you'll call me a soy-boy cuck and tell me to cry more.

Is everyone who disagrees with you 'alt-right'? Do you even know what it means?

Personally I've not seen any crotch pics, it's you who seems slightly obsessed about that when all that's been posted is a full body image of a man rearranging his penis. There are photos in the news of the sexiest athletes showing men and women and photos of that poor bloke who lost the pole vault because of his penis so if its bizarre then speak to the news outlets, the camera men, the athletes etc if you want to post a photo of a female athlete go ahead. Not sure why you'd think that was relevant though.

HowardTJMoon · 06/08/2024 20:09

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/08/2024 20:07

Yawn. As if we've not been called alt-right before. It doesn't work. We're not shutting up.

If I'd repeatedly been called alt-right then I might give a moment of time to consider why it is that so many people make the connection. But you? Nah, that'd get in the way of your shitposting, right?

MadameMassiveSalad · 06/08/2024 20:09

Helleofabore · 06/08/2024 15:31

If an IVF specialist obstetric gynaecologist who is an expert in the effect of hormones, who is also a sports medicine specialist and very experienced with boxing who advised on this decision doesn't know how to read laboratory tests that show two athletes chromosomes, then they should be removed from the registry.

And yet, the IOC undermines this expert for the sake of inclusion....

Is that what happened?
Can you link?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/08/2024 20:09

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/08/2024 20:10

If I'd repeatedly been called alt-right then I might give a moment of time to consider why it is that so many people make the connection. But you? Nah, that'd get in the way of your shitposting, right?

Nope. Thanks again. Enjoy.

If I'd repeatedly been called alt-right then I might give a moment of time to consider why it is that so many people make the connection. But you? Nah, that'd get in the way of your shitposting, right?

WomaninBoots · 06/08/2024 20:10

Lots and lots of people build their whole identity around things that then come crashing down around their ears. It sucks, but it's life.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 20:10

I'd expect better of a 12 year-old.

I'm sorry, were you under the impression that a man whining about "alt right" memes when discussing male violence against women with women required anything else?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/08/2024 20:10

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TheKeatingFive · 06/08/2024 20:10

HowardTJMoon · 06/08/2024 20:09

If I'd repeatedly been called alt-right then I might give a moment of time to consider why it is that so many people make the connection. But you? Nah, that'd get in the way of your shitposting, right?

Call me what you want. I have my own brain and my own conscience. I don't need my 'tribe' to tell me what's right.

DaisyFloop · 06/08/2024 20:10

Anyotherdude · 06/08/2024 20:08

But you don’t know if she feels like a male. In her head, she’s a woman, and her whole identity has been built on boxing against women, as a woman.
That she has been allowed, by the IOC, to continue has clearly reinforced her belief that it must be fair.
It must be an awful situation to be in, and I actually feel sorry for her…

It doesn't matter how someone feels, you can't change your biology

JJathome · 06/08/2024 20:11

Asherrain · 06/08/2024 19:31

Do you think it's possible that it might be quite difficult for her to believe she is male. She was told she was born a girl, raised a girl, told by family she's a girl, trained as a female boxer, told by coaches she is a girl, supported by her county as a woman, and dedicated her whole life to women's boxing?
Not to mention the huge cultural differences between us and Algerians, their views on trans, and also considering her religion and faith. God created her this way. You only have to listen to her speak to realise the huge cultural gulf between her and your average Brit, and why it might be very difficult for us to put ourselves in her shoes.
Yet people are so quick to attack, to call her a cheat and a woman beater, to say 'if I was her I would do the right thing and just pull out of boxing' after ONE TEST.
And this has nothing to do with whether she should be allowed to compete, that wasn't even decided by her.

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Oh cmon, what a sanitised emotive story. She won’t have had female puberty, she won’t have periods. She had male puberty. I’m absolutely sure it was a shock, but this whole she dedicated her life stuff does not entitle her to get in the ring and fight women. As she is biologically male and knows she is. Thats where it stops. She’s biologically male and she knows this, has known for years.

and she could easily have lived her life as a woman, nearly 2 percent of the global populati9n Is intersex, do you think these two are the only ones in their country.

and again, what about the women , the Olympic athletes, who are having to concede to her, as she’s a biological man?

Namechange944 · 06/08/2024 20:11

Helleofabore · 06/08/2024 15:26

Males with differences of sex development that have experienced male puberty. ie. testosterone driven puberty. That gives them male puberty advantage over female athletes.

First post nails it.

ArabellaScott · 06/08/2024 20:11

ailicis · 06/08/2024 20:00

I'm from rural Algeria 🙄

Okay, but unless you know Khelif personally, you don't know what the background/upbringing/history is. So your description of Khelif's history is conjecture as much as anyone else's.

And Lin Yu-Ting didn't grow up there, either.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/08/2024 20:11

Call me what you want. I have my own brain and my own conscience. I don't need my 'tribe' to tell me what's right.

Exactly. If allowing males to beat up females is left wing then the left is truly lost.

TheKeatingFive · 06/08/2024 20:11

Anyotherdude · 06/08/2024 20:08

But you don’t know if she feels like a male. In her head, she’s a woman, and her whole identity has been built on boxing against women, as a woman.
That she has been allowed, by the IOC, to continue has clearly reinforced her belief that it must be fair.
It must be an awful situation to be in, and I actually feel sorry for her…

This is all speculation. You have no idea what's going on in Khelif's head.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 20:12

But it never gets old when men come to tell us how terrible we are for not rolling over for what men want to do.

TheKeatingFive · 06/08/2024 20:12

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/08/2024 20:11

Call me what you want. I have my own brain and my own conscience. I don't need my 'tribe' to tell me what's right.

Exactly. If allowing males to beat up females is left wing then the left is truly lost.

Abso-fucking-lutely

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 20:13

In her head, she’s a woman, and her whole identity has been built on boxing against women, as a woman.

You seem to have quite a vivid imagination. Try creative writing.

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