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To feel uncomfortable with groom's speech at his wedding?

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Dygger · 06/08/2024 13:01

My cousin's son married his girlfriend of 12 years at the weekend and my partner and I were invited. During his speech at the reception the groom made a number of 'jokes' about being forced unwillingly into marriage. They weren't very funny or clearly ironic. There wasn't much tenderness or love emanating from him. The main topic of his speech was how he hadn't wanted to marry but she did and so here he was with his arm twisted behind his back. His friends (he plays football and there were a lot of football friends there) thought it was hilarious. He said something along the lines of 'I know you're all expecting me to tell you how much I love Katie, but we've lived together for 12 years and so neither of us have any illusions about each other.' She seemed a bit subdued. Her speech was very short but she did say she loved him 'despite everything' which got a laugh. It was all rather unsettling and created a strange atmosphere. We left as soon as we politely could.

Has anyone else experienced something like this? Did your own husbands say anything really inappropriate in their wedding speeches? I'm trying to understand why he did it. He's an English teacher, so he's someone who knows words matter.

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alwaysmovingforwards · 06/08/2024 17:25

Cocobeau · 06/08/2024 16:42

Some people are just crap at speeches. You’re thinking about it too much.

Agreed.
I tend to filter out whatever’s being said anyway..
I get it, you love her, she loves you, wishing you all the best.

madamehelga · 06/08/2024 17:28

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Dygger · 06/08/2024 17:28

Charlottescobweb · 06/08/2024 16:28

Getting married to only have a baby sounds odd to me. I get the whole protection thing but a lot of couples marry have children and don't own anything. How does getting married benefit those couples who have nothing. Your cousin's son could have an accident or a stroke tomorrow and he can't work and she becomes his carer. Marriage is not something you play with to only have children it's deeper than that. She is also becoming his carer and his her carer if they were to become ill.

Relationships change when you have a child and sometimes men turn out to be less keen on children and childcare than anyone suspected. Just read half the threads on Relationships or AIBU. So if a woman's going to protect her rights — while she takes a year (at least) out of work and then takes on all the extra physical and emotional burden of raising children, the least she can do is be legally married. That way, if the relationship ends, she has stronger rights.

No one is required to be their partner's carer. In fact my partner and I are really clear that if either of us ends up developing dementia we have permission to leave and enjoy what's left of our lives. We've both had parents and elderly relatives who've had dementia and we've done enough dementia care, thank you. Life is too precious, particularly those final active years, to be trapped at home answering the same questions 20 times an hour.

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Ariela · 06/08/2024 17:31

He'll be the type to be on dating sites looking for extra marital sex - and claiming wifey doesn't understand him, it's a sexless marriage, and they're in separate rooms at night.
Then brag about it to his footie mates.

Penguinmouse · 06/08/2024 17:33

MagicianMoth · 06/08/2024 13:54

I've been to at least two weddings where the father of the bride's speech has been "humorous" towards his daughter in a very disparaging and to me uncomfortable way. They were both successful, lovely women but their dads really put them down (in a kind of "what is she like?!" way) which I found really bizarre.

Went to a friend’s wedding where the Father of the Bride speech was like this and honestly the next day at breakfast, all we could talk about was how much of a dick he was.

Thelittleweasel · 06/08/2024 17:40

Although way out of the market for such things I do worry about the "wedding industry" and the waste and bad behaviour that goes on at such times.

How can any young couple now afford the cost which runs into £10000s?

I am reminded of the squirming speech in "I give it a year" film.

I think we spent about £40 all those years ago and added a cheap fight to Paris!

Isittimeformynapyet · 06/08/2024 17:42

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Nothing more laughable than elderly dating.

Good grief! You just can't help yourself, can you!

ComeAgainPlease · 06/08/2024 17:58

What an idiot showing off to his footie friends.

marshlellow · 06/08/2024 18:00

Send any cash gift to her directly for her escape fund

marshlellow · 06/08/2024 18:03

EI12 · 06/08/2024 16:39

Widowed people and betrayed people I did not mean, I don't class this as giggly dating, they are looking for a spouse, it is serious. I meant elderly dating, when they still think they are 'hot', and are a 'catch'. Dating-dating I meant, not looking for a spouse.

What disgusting ageism

MrsSunshine2b · 06/08/2024 18:07

Findwen · 06/08/2024 14:25

I agree that's the most likely, but maybe he is being abused. Either way, surely it's worth a chat to find out ?

If the OP ignores this and just assumes he behaved poorly without good reason -- and it turns out that her family member is suffering, she might not think well of herself for not bothering to at least have a chat.

Because a victim of abuse would really use a social occasion to make their abuser the butt of a joke and have everyone laugh at them. He's clearly terrified of her.

Echobelly · 06/08/2024 18:14

I mainly hate that kind of speech as it's such a fucking ourdated cliche, especially as I often think men want and need marriage more than women. But it does sound sad if the whole delivery wasn't very warm either - though could just be him being bad at public speaking and not knowing how to deliver those lines affectionately.

Leanmeansmitingmachine · 06/08/2024 18:34

EI12 · 06/08/2024 14:48

The awful thing is not what he said, but what she did - she was happy to be his fuck buddy for 12 years without a commitment from him - so why does he have to afford her any respect? Seriously. I am speaking from own bitter experience. I wish I knew then what I know now. And most likely he was telling the truth, and it always hurts. If he wanted her, he would have proposed after 1 month. If you meet that rare person and you are really in love, you don't muck them around for 12 years. It applies to animate and inanimate objects - if you want something in an antique shop, you grab it and buy it because it is unique, you don't put it down for 12 years and expect it to be there if it is really valuable.

So, wait… it’s her fault he’s a cunt?

EI12 · 06/08/2024 18:37

Leanmeansmitingmachine · 06/08/2024 18:34

So, wait… it’s her fault he’s a cunt?

No, it is her fault that she was a 12-year old doormat for a cunt!

Charlottescobweb · 06/08/2024 18:40

Leanmeansmitingmachine · 06/08/2024 18:34

So, wait… it’s her fault he’s a cunt?

She wanted marriage and a baby with that cunt. Teachers get good pensions she's entitled to half his pension as well if it doesn't work out after 18 years. She probably felt her years slipping away and he has a few bob and property together I am assuming so why not.

CruCru · 06/08/2024 18:40

A friend went to a wedding where the best man mentioned that the groom had briefly been in prison when he was much younger - the bride knew but her family didn’t and were upset.

An old work colleague was chief bridesmaid at her sister’s wedding. The father of the bride speech was all about how much better the bride was than her sister. That can’t have felt good. The bridesmaid was a sensible young woman who was well thought of at work.

Dygger · 06/08/2024 18:46

Charlottescobweb · 06/08/2024 18:40

She wanted marriage and a baby with that cunt. Teachers get good pensions she's entitled to half his pension as well if it doesn't work out after 18 years. She probably felt her years slipping away and he has a few bob and property together I am assuming so why not.

She earns more than him. She works in the pharmaceutical industry.

I hate the use of a good Anglo-Saxon word describing an amazing part of a woman's body as an insult. Something's gone wrong with MN. There's so much bitterness on display here.

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OrchardDoor · 06/08/2024 18:50

Leanmeansmitingmachine · 06/08/2024 18:34

So, wait… it’s her fault he’s a cunt?

I think the sort of person who writes she was happy to be his fuck buddy for 12 years without a commitment from him - so why does he have to afford her any respect?
Is a cunt themselves and should be ignored.

Charlottescobweb · 06/08/2024 19:17

Dygger · 06/08/2024 18:46

She earns more than him. She works in the pharmaceutical industry.

I hate the use of a good Anglo-Saxon word describing an amazing part of a woman's body as an insult. Something's gone wrong with MN. There's so much bitterness on display here.

Sorry, I don't think it was your intention for your cousin's son to be looked at in a bad way on this thread. I didn't mean it she's probably used to all his jokes even the bad ones and sees him in a completely different light. You will all laugh about it in years to come. They probably don't take eachother or themselves seriously which I think is good in a relationship. You have to be able to laugh at yourself or allow others to laugh at you when the occasion arrives.

RichardsGear · 06/08/2024 19:18

Well what are they like together normally? Presumably you've seen them together on other occasions? Is he usually 'normal' with her (for want of a better word) ie. respectful, kind, caring? While I agree he was a wanker to go on like that at their wedding, and it probably feels a bit tainted for her at the moment, if he's generally decent then hopefully she can move on from it.

Charlottescobweb · 06/08/2024 19:26

RichardsGear · 06/08/2024 19:18

Well what are they like together normally? Presumably you've seen them together on other occasions? Is he usually 'normal' with her (for want of a better word) ie. respectful, kind, caring? While I agree he was a wanker to go on like that at their wedding, and it probably feels a bit tainted for her at the moment, if he's generally decent then hopefully she can move on from it.

I don't think it was that bad. It was a joke that went wrong. As long as they are happy who cares it's there wedding and they probably paid for it so they can do and say what they please.

Booobs · 06/08/2024 19:47

EI12 · 06/08/2024 14:53

The lovely, naive, straight comment. The number of idiotic women hanging around for 2, 4, 12, and even 17 years waiting for a proposal.... Identifying, my proverbial....

I don’t think you really caught my drift………

I was meaning how many football
playing teachers who got married this weekend are starting in a fringe play this week….?

I hope the OP changed some details otherwise cousin and family may not be very impressed…

VividQuoter · 06/08/2024 19:52

That is such a horrible treatment; he should let her go if he does not want her

memyselfi · 06/08/2024 20:04

That poor woman .
Honestly I'd be in tears.
The humiliation, the disrespect and the stomach dropping realisation that he was a horrible human being .
Lots of women settle for these men sadly .

EI12 · 06/08/2024 20:09

Booobs · 06/08/2024 19:47

I don’t think you really caught my drift………

I was meaning how many football
playing teachers who got married this weekend are starting in a fringe play this week….?

I hope the OP changed some details otherwise cousin and family may not be very impressed…

Sorry, Sherlock, you are absolutely right!

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