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Ginge88 · 06/08/2024 09:48

If I forget something or use the wrong plug or something, DH says loudly

"And the 356th way Ginge has fucked up today is...."

Or whatever number is in his head. Frustrating thing is I actually don't mess up things v much and it's him that needs reminders of everything

But yes if he notices says the milk is left out or something il hear him say "and Ginge succeeds in fucking up for the 455th time this week" and chuckling to himself

I've told him to stop. He tells me it's a joke. He does now do it less but he clearly thinks I'm being totally over sensitive

Am I?

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DearDenimEagle · 09/03/2025 15:12

Definitely do NOT go to counselling with him. It works for some couples. However,
with him, he would lie, play the victim, gaslight, project and the counsellor will think you’re the bad guy. It’s a waste of time and money. He will never admit to being wrong, he won’t even believe he has done wrong. You are in the wrong, you are the problem , you need sorting out. In his head and that won’t change. They can’t bear to feel shame so never admit or agree they did wrong.
Occasionally they will apologise, but it’s just words to get you to fall into line again. It’s never sincere.
The only way to deal with them is to get out and go as little contact as possible, bearing in mind there are children.

Ginge88 · 09/03/2025 15:16

pikkumyy77 · 09/03/2025 14:56

He will never keep a privately agreed upon agreement. People like your dh do not consider themselves honour bound by any agreement with a mere woman. Only a public, legally binding, court approved agreement will hold any weight with him snd even that will not bind him as he will seek to use the judicial system to continue abusing you.

That said I would suggest looking at books on high conflict divorce and divorcing a narcissist. They will have good strategies to suggest.

In my opinion submission and retreat (which is what making a good offer is) are tactics—they are choices. You should not do it because you are afraid of his retaliation. I don’t think you should make concessions at all. The divorce should feel so costly to him that he begs to settle with you rather than the other way around.

Your inner mantra, which will be reflected in your outward demeanor, should be “I don’t need this useless, crap, failed, man for anything.” When he “threatens “ to withdraw money/attention/childcare just say to yourself “oh fuck off you useless twat. No one needs your pathetic offering.”

Work with your solicitor and ask if you can, in a fiscally responsible way, raise the cost to him every time he defaults on a agreement. Its useful to set out three proposals: one thats “good” for him, and two more that are increasingly bad if you do make a “good” first offer them let him know that the more he jerks you around the faster you move into the death spiral of more aggressive asks—such as going after his pension.

Thank you for this advice. I think coming up with three options is so helpful. Unfortunately I feel like it will be losing a lot money.

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thepariscrimefiles · 09/03/2025 15:19

I would still log this with the police as it's part of a pattern of disturbing behaviour on his part which could escalate quickly once he realises that you are not backing down and that you will file for divorce whether he is in agreement or not.

Collapsing dramatically on the floor isn't very alpha male of him is it? What would his idols, the Tate brothers, think of this beta male behaviour?

DearDenimEagle · 09/03/2025 15:20

He’s shouting at you. He has been guilty of coercive control , which is illegal.

You have had to lie back and think of England? Been coerced into sex? He has threatened self harm? Shouting at you there to go to counselling ? coercive behaviour to get you to do what he wants . Illegal.

Examples of coercive behavior:
Threats: Threatening violence, suicide, or harming the victim's family or pets

Monitoring: Tracking the victim's movements, finances, or online activity

Controlling access: Denying the victim access to medical care, money, or certain places

Humiliation: Putting the victim down, making them feel worthless, or enforcing humiliating rules

Isolation: Separating the victim from friends and family

Sexual abuse: Coercing the victim into sexual activity

Blackmail: Using information about the victim to blackmail them

DearDenimEagle · 09/03/2025 15:22

thepariscrimefiles · 09/03/2025 15:19

I would still log this with the police as it's part of a pattern of disturbing behaviour on his part which could escalate quickly once he realises that you are not backing down and that you will file for divorce whether he is in agreement or not.

Collapsing dramatically on the floor isn't very alpha male of him is it? What would his idols, the Tate brothers, think of this beta male behaviour?

I have to chuckle because if he is a follower of Andrew Tate or others, he is a beta, anyway. Alphas lead, they don’t follow

DearDenimEagle · 09/03/2025 15:24

So log with police any of those coercive behaviours. Keep a diary of any more. Agreeing with thepariscrimefiles here

Ginge88 · 09/03/2025 15:25

I definitely won't do counselling. I would have done at points. He has promised to find a counsellor for hinself and for us many times and never done it. But at this stage - it would be a waste of money. There is nothing to salvage.

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DearDenimEagle · 09/03/2025 15:27

Ginge88 · 09/03/2025 15:25

I definitely won't do counselling. I would have done at points. He has promised to find a counsellor for hinself and for us many times and never done it. But at this stage - it would be a waste of money. There is nothing to salvage.

Exactly. Promises…carrot on a stick in front of the donkey to keep the donkey on the path he , as carrot holder, wants.

YourHappyJadeEagle · 09/03/2025 15:39

All the drama ( dropping to the floor ffs) is to divert attention from his real behaviour which is bullying.
Speak to a solicitor DON’T downplay his behaviour. Ime once you start the legal proceedings it makes you feel more sure of yourself. Yes he’ll push for 50/50 but the sounds so lazy he won’t continue with that. If you are ever questioned on refusing counselling , well you can’t go to counselling with your abuser can you. And he is horribly abusive.
Stay strong, this can all be over in a few months.

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 09/03/2025 16:03

How pathetic! Falling to the ground because you won't go to counselling with him, wonder which drama school he attended, clearly a bad one!😂

hildabaker · 09/03/2025 16:40

I felt true rage on your behalf at that latest update - badgering/bullying you to answer him, then fake 'collapsing', what a 100 percent jerk he truly is. And the way he doesn't care about what the kids witness, he is beneath contempt. I wish you strength, ginge x

DearDenimEagle · 09/03/2025 16:45

Gaslighting is also illegal now 10 Examples of Gaslighting
If you’re wondering how to tell if someone is gaslighting you, consider whether someone has exhibited any of the following behaviors within your romantic, family, or work relationships:

  1. Lying about or denying something and refusing to admit the lie even when you show them proof
  2. Insisting that an event or behavior you witnessed never happened and that you’re remembering it wrong
  3. Spreading rumors and gossip about you, or telling you that other people are gossiping about you
  4. Changing the subject or refusing to listen when confronted about a lie or other gaslighting behavior
  5. Telling you that you’re overreacting when you call them out
  6. Blame shifting in relationships—they deflect responsibility by claiming that if you acted differently, they wouldn’t treat you like this, so it’s really your fault
  7. Trying to smooth things over with loving words that don’t match their actions
  8. Twisting a story to minimize their abusive behavior
  9. Minimizing their hurtful behaviors or words by saying something like, “It was just a joke” or “You’re way too sensitive”
  10. Separating you from friends and family who might recognize your gaslighting abuse symptoms
Any of these signs of gaslighting in a relationship are cause for concern. They indicate that the connection is unhealthy and that the abusive person’s behavior may be causing severe mental health repercussions for the person being gaslit.

The easiest one to prove is the gossiping one, I suspect. If he has badmouthed you to others…she is crazy etc

Experts generally divide gaslighting behavior into five different types of manipulative actions and words.
Outright Lying
In this type of gaslighting behavior, the abuser lies to their victim even when there’s evidence to the contrary. For example, they might insist that they didn’t call their ex even when the number shows up on their list of calls. Or in the case of workplace gaslighting, a co-worker might insist they sent you the information you needed, even though you never got it and they can’t show you the email.
Coercion
Coercive gaslighting involves using force, punishment, or threats to manipulate the victim. Examples of this type of gaslighting include giving your partner the cold shoulder when they spend time with someone else, or trying to convince them they’re a bad person if they don’t do what the abuser wants.
Scapegoating
Scapegoat gaslighting is when the gaslighter deflects blame onto someone else to avoid having to take responsibility or to escape damage to their relationship, reputation, or power. At work, your boss might blame one victim for a project that failed, even though it was ultimately their responsibility. Or, in an intimate relationship, a gaslighter might tell you that they cheated because you weren’t attentive enough.
Reality Questioning
Also known as reality manipulation, this type of gaslighting is especially harmful to the victim’s mental health, because it sows self-doubt and confusion. The abuser insists that the victim is remembering things wrong, or tells them they’re crazy because they can’t remember an event or conversation—one that actually never took place. This might happen with family members, as when a parent tells a child that an event they remember as traumatic never happened, or wasn’t what the child thought it was.
Trivializing
This type of gaslighting known as trivializing refers to minimizing or dismissing the victim’s feelings, accomplishments, or experiences. Hence, the gaslighter diminishes the victim’s self-esteem and makes themselves the arbiter of what is important and meaningful. Within romantic relationships, the abuser could gaslight their partner by calling them oversensitive when they share their emotions, or belittling how much they care about something outside the relationship, like a hobby, work, or a friendship.

Wish I had realised it was illegal.

10 Pathological Liar Signs and How to Cope with a Habitual Liar

When lying becomes a habit, and other pathological liar signs are also present, a mental health issue may be causing the behavior. 

https://www.newportinstitute.com/resources/co-occurring-disorders/pathological-liar-signs/

Ginge88 · 09/03/2025 18:52

He went to the gym and for a walk. And now he's come home and has changed tack entirely. Affectionate to the kids. Askibg them lots of questions and colouring with them. Tidying. Doing laundry. Looking so sad at me. Asking if I want a tea. If you could see him now you'd think the sweetest most gentle man. He's playing the character i actually thought he was. That stupid guilt is creeping in. But I'm just grey rock and getting through bedtime for DC so I can go hide in spare room once they're asleep.

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VexedofVirginiaWater · 09/03/2025 19:00

Do you think he has realised that you're serious and is trying to soft soap you round? Glad you can see through it and can grey rock him - just get through till tomorrow when you can arrange to see a solicitor.

Ginge88 · 09/03/2025 19:09

Yes, exactly. His rage hasn't got what he wants so now he's trying a different strategy. This mode is so much harder than the rage though as it makes me feel very sad.

But its not the real him and never was.

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Arconialiving · 09/03/2025 19:16

Please just be so careful Op - his behaviour is scary & it's worrying how he'll react when he realises that nothing will work.

Ginge88 · 09/03/2025 19:38

I promise I'm treading carefully. Determined but careful. I will put the kids in the car and drive off if I need to.

It's so weird that this thread is literally changing my life but you're all strangers.

Tell you what is exhausting though is keeping things as happy and normal as possible for the kids. I built star wars lego kit today with them and my hands were shaking. I did it though. Through all of this there are lots of laughs with them. But I do know they're affected even if they can't vocalise it

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Pclou45 · 09/03/2025 20:33

I haven’t commented so far but I hope you know that there are a lot of people here who are with you and supporting you virtually. I’m one of them. I’m in a similar position although no kids at home. Do keep us updated when you can but please take strength from the collective support you have here.

Jb0011 · 09/03/2025 21:21

I also,am rooting for you. I wish all the hope and love for you and your boys,you deserve it ❤️

TrustTheProcess · 09/03/2025 21:40

You are absolutely incredible and strong. I've never met you but I'm proud of you. Keep going. One day, you will look back at this moment and thank yourself for doing this and getting out. It might be rough for a while, but it will be worth it. Short term sacrifice for long term gain. You've got this xx

Starseeking · 09/03/2025 22:00

He sounds awful.

The very best of luck to you in the divorce, it sounds like you will need it.

2022NewTimes · 09/03/2025 22:18

Ginge88 · 09/03/2025 18:52

He went to the gym and for a walk. And now he's come home and has changed tack entirely. Affectionate to the kids. Askibg them lots of questions and colouring with them. Tidying. Doing laundry. Looking so sad at me. Asking if I want a tea. If you could see him now you'd think the sweetest most gentle man. He's playing the character i actually thought he was. That stupid guilt is creeping in. But I'm just grey rock and getting through bedtime for DC so I can go hide in spare room once they're asleep.

@Ginge88 my ex emptied the dishwasher for the first time in 25 years when I told him I was leaving...😂
Please keep up the momentum and leave.... he does not deserve anymore of your time...
I left three years ago and I am happy...single and at peace....

WigglyVonWaggly · 09/03/2025 22:22

Yeah, the cup of tea doesn’t mean the ‘little girl’ comment and the punishment over your trip didn’t happen. He’s trying to manipulate you in the most horrible ways. It’s too late - you’ve seen through the act. You’re a strong woman, OP. He isn’t going to break you - he’s just making himself look increasingly awful and validating your decision to divorce him! It’s not a happy marriage - it’s time he faced up to reality.

Thelnebriati · 09/03/2025 22:29

Looking so sad at me.
OMG the sad spaniel face gives me the rage! Is he dry begging?

www.reddit.com/r/AbuseInterrupted/comments/1g4kbxm/dry_begging_usually_involves_dropping_hints_or/?rdt=60767

DearDenimEagle · 10/03/2025 12:03

WigglyVonWaggly · 09/03/2025 22:22

Yeah, the cup of tea doesn’t mean the ‘little girl’ comment and the punishment over your trip didn’t happen. He’s trying to manipulate you in the most horrible ways. It’s too late - you’ve seen through the act. You’re a strong woman, OP. He isn’t going to break you - he’s just making himself look increasingly awful and validating your decision to divorce him! It’s not a happy marriage - it’s time he faced up to reality.

Facing reality for most narcissistic types is not what we do. Reality is what they decree it is. They are not bound by our rules or boundaries. They decide what a truth is and everyone must believe it…they might state the polar opposite a few hours later, and that new truth is also to be accepted as reality by everyone.
It’s how they get caught in lies, because when they say something, it’s the truth to them and they don’t realise when they contradict themselves, because they believe everyone accepts their reality.

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