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Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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Safi7 · 05/08/2024 00:31

So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

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Blackcats7 · 05/08/2024 07:47

There are a few “politicians” who do unbelievable damage to the world. Trump, Putin, Kim Jung Un, Xi Jinping. Farage although a minnow wants to be one of the gang.
I would never condone violence but if they all suddenly passed away from excess idiocy (if such a thing were possible) we would all be much safer.
I think a lot of blame for Farage’s success lies with the previous government. Mismanaging immigration played right into his hands, Brexit and increasing division within the tory party gave his views a legitimacy never had before and then their overall dismal performance left many tory voters disaffected who then decided to vote reform.
The photos of Farage dancing with Priti Patel at the tory party conference are an image I can’t unsee.

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:47

It can't be unfettered immigration since we don't have that and we know the government are working on immigration.

So naive!

RampantIvy · 05/08/2024 07:47

Ridiculousme · 05/08/2024 01:06

@MrsTerryPratchett why are people angry? Because a hideous human being murdered 3 girls? Why attack mosques? Or homes for asylum seekers?

Farage is a clever rich man, brainwashing a lot of hardworking but low income people.

The events in Rotherham this weekend have been horrifying (I live in South Yorkshire).

I'm shocked and disappointed that in my Labour constituency that the reform party garnered over 9,000 votes, coming a close second to the Tories. Between them there are more Tories and reform voters than Labour voters.

(I deliberately used a lower case "r" because they don't deserve any kind of acknowledgement from me as a poliical party).

Boater · 05/08/2024 07:49

BettyBoobles · 05/08/2024 07:46

This 100%. I'm not a hater, a protester and not a racist however I can see where the anger at mass, uncontrolled immigration has come from and it must be addressed.

Except we don’t have mass uncontrolled immigration.

So…

faffadoodledo · 05/08/2024 07:49

Have I missed it or has there not been any unrest in London? I ws talking to DH about this yesterday. Massive great multicultural city (I know it well though no longer live there). And no unrest. It's all in the north I think. A place ignored or played lip service to for a dozen or so years. And therefore ripe for rabble rouser and racist in chief Farage.

People insisting Starmer sorts this are being unfair - sorts what? Years of neglect and seeding of these abhorrent ideas? Sure it's his problem to fix. But it's not a problem of his making. And it won't be a quick fix.

Also - look to London. Plenty of low income people there. But so far it doesnt seem to have fallen victim. Why?

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 07:50

BeethovenNinth · 05/08/2024 06:48

Yes there is no excuse for the violence and riots.

but the debate is being shut down. Even the police commissioner that said we need to address the root cause has been forced to back down.

it is not “far right” nor racist to need a robust discussion on unfettered immigration from countries with a different culture to ours.

We’ve just had an election, did you miss the weeks of debate in which this was discussed as nauseum?

The Tories lost and Reform got very few seats. Get over it.

Leniriefenstahl · 05/08/2024 07:50

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:03

Even if that was desirable (and it's not) it's not possible.

Look at the expanse of ocean around Australia. Look at the puddly little English Channel that is being crossed in dinghies. That's the difference.

Everyone needs to lose the idea that immigration can be stopped. It can't.

Even if we could physically stop it, the sudden cessation would cause labour market problems.

Not to mention that stopping immigration, if it were possible, would delight the racists and stoke this all up further.

So the whole stupid ambition that the racists and rioters want is just impossible. TBH a politician or two should have been brave enough to spell that out some time ago.

Agree. In many industries they literally cannot get the staff because Brits don’t want to or can’t do the job.
Saying that I think it’s very much a regional issue. My DS is trying to find a job, any job, just graduated from uni and every interview has 30 odd candidates (and probably many more initial applicants).

PermanentTemporary · 05/08/2024 07:50

Braverman spent years 'understanding the concerns' of violent twats by appearing on the media with a fresh blowdry, giving undeserved attention to lots of stupid narratives and not actually doing her job, hence a dysfunctional Home Office and a huge backlog of claims to be processed. If people don't like asylum seekers being in hotels, would they really want them on the streets? How would that be better?

Higher incomes and reduced poverty across the world means more economic migration; resource wars for land, oil and water means more refugee migration; Brexit means more economic migration as we sell the things we still have in trade deals which involve access to visas; climate change means more refugee migration. Get used to it.

Remember King Cnut? He told the sea to go back to prove to his followers that it couldn't be done. Farage tells the sea to go back so that when it doesn't, that his followers drag us into the sea and drown us. One thing you can be certain of is that Farridge himself will remain perfectly dry.

The PM appearing on TV promptly and saying that incited mob violence will be dealt with is not incendiary, it's a fucking relief.

HaveToStopTheWorld · 05/08/2024 07:51

Circlesinthesand · 05/08/2024 07:31

I'd say asylum seekers living in hotels are not the threat here.

You say that but do you have experience living next to one of these hotels? I do and we've had a lot of issues with large groups of them creeping around our gardens, peering in windows followed by a load of bike thefts, all on video all over FB. Don't think they know about ring doorbells. Would you feel safe allowing your teen DD to walk home alone having to walk through large groups of these men? Just because you're not personally affected, plenty people are.

I had to keep my teenager home this weekend because of the rioters chanting racist filth and hurling missiles in our city centre. Whereas a family member of mine teaches English to asylum seekers and so I've met plenty at social gatherings organised by the charity she works for and I've never felt the need to keep my kids away from them - unlike the violent men terrorising the streets here on Saturday.

bombastix · 05/08/2024 07:52

faffadoodledo · 05/08/2024 07:49

Have I missed it or has there not been any unrest in London? I ws talking to DH about this yesterday. Massive great multicultural city (I know it well though no longer live there). And no unrest. It's all in the north I think. A place ignored or played lip service to for a dozen or so years. And therefore ripe for rabble rouser and racist in chief Farage.

People insisting Starmer sorts this are being unfair - sorts what? Years of neglect and seeding of these abhorrent ideas? Sure it's his problem to fix. But it's not a problem of his making. And it won't be a quick fix.

Also - look to London. Plenty of low income people there. But so far it doesnt seem to have fallen victim. Why?

Not sure why. You do see racism and support for reform by it is older 50 plus, and white.

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 07:53

orchiddottyback · 05/08/2024 00:49

Actually Farage is talking a lot of sense and condemned the violence, from speaking to literally hundreds of people today whilst filming the only person stoking up any tesions is Kier and his bloody arrogant press conferences. It's been like a red rag to a bull.

The most pathetic prime minister this country has ever seen, he truly is ignorant and blind to what is actually going on and why people are so angry. Sitting in his little ivory tower in his london bubble he really is clueless.

Blame farage all you like but your looking in the wrong place. but then again it's like the blind leading the blind.

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Kier is doing a great job.

If you want pathetic prime ministers I raise you Cameron, Johnson, Truss, Sunak……

Oh wait all members of the party that have been in power the last 14 years!

SuePreemly · 05/08/2024 07:53

What's worse is that through all of this, the families of those poor girls has been forgotten.

It's becoming all about me me me my lack of money, lack of job, blame the immigrants.

Besides which how anyone "claims back their streets/country" by damaging their own town, and scaring their fellow citizens half to death is the logic of those with very little intelligence.

Zonder · 05/08/2024 07:54

NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 05/08/2024 07:47

Immigration is being addressed!

You've just swallowed the Tory and reform lies that it can all be shut down overnight by shooting at the boats. It can't. It'll take time.

Rioting is not the answer.

This.

Interesting to read some posts on here. It helps make sense of why the riots are happening and highlights the rubbish some people are believing. Thank you mainstream media, twitter and certain far right MPs.

Deardeidree · 05/08/2024 07:55

Absolute clowns! @NeedSomeAnswersPlease They can get real if they think they can walk away Scot-free after this 😆 In 2011 not as many people had high tech smart phones with great cameras to capture clear pictures of those involved -this time they’ll all be caught one by one!

The ones participating in 2011 were probably on average younger as well. That is not proven yet of course but anecdotally I’ve seen mostly 30+ men participating in this riot, so if anything given their ages they should know better.

That’s the thing with those racist law and order types, they only support punitive treatment from police and the courts against POC or those seen to be aligning with POC.

Unfortunately, my mother watches the shower of shit that is GB News.

Ugh that’s unfortunate! My partner who is very political (Labour) watches it at his house mostly so he can see what they are saying and criticise them robustly, but I can’t even be bothered having it on and supporting the channel by giving them more viewers!

multicolouredbunting · 05/08/2024 07:55

Everyone who is happy to have hotels full of male migrants needs to take the time to understand what it is like to live near these places. I do, and it's not nice.
We have lots of trouble with young girls being approached on their way to and from school and harassed. Young children are photographed in the local park, and when the males are spoken to by parents, they claim they don't speak English and run away back to the hotel. Police are always called , nothing is ever done.
They rioted amongst themselves not long back and set their own hotel on fire. They were just moved to another one.
To go into the town centre you are harassed, followed and have comments made about yourself. It's always women/young girls they intimidate.
Most recently is the intimidating of older people at the local supermarkets cash machine on a daily basis. Again police have been informed.

Now the rioting is wrong, obviously, but when the government does nothing to address the issue, then it's going to boil over. As many are economic migrants they have no reason to seek refuge here. Lots of people would like to move countries in what they deem would be a better life for themselves, doesn't mean we can all just rock up on boats to wherever we feel like and be housed by that government. What is it, a cost of 10 million pounds per day currently?

lovelysunshine22 · 05/08/2024 07:56

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 06:32

I am going to say this, but what if he is right?

We really have to stop screaming down everyone that speaks from their truth and their lived experience, no matter how different or 'vile' we find it. The way we stop the riots is how we have always proceeded with difference in this country.

We sit down and talk about why these people are so aggrieved and angry. What IS going on for them? Just screaming and calling them far right thugs is only going to make things worse and feel even more othered, and even more likely to continue to riot. It is about time someone in government acknowledged the pressure and the issues (including immigration and the strain on the infrastructure) rather than simply close it down with insults, and started to ENGAGE with the issues.

I am horrified by the riots. Horrified.

I know from experience that you do not solve burning, long standing issues by insulting and silencing people.

At some point we are as a society going to have to acknowledge the difficulties this country is facing, and start to listen to each other.

I am deeply disappointed that Starmer's leadership so far has amounted to calling them FR thugs, almost inciting more violence. This is not going to work.

This eruption has been a long time coming, it is not going away, we need to start to treat the people that feel totally overlooked and ignored in this country with a measure of respect so they do not feel they have to smash up at their own towns to be heard.

I know many of you will kick off at my post, but that is part of the problem no?

Such a fantastic answer but the self righteous, arrogant left " always know best" 🙄

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:57

multicolouredbunting · 05/08/2024 07:55

Everyone who is happy to have hotels full of male migrants needs to take the time to understand what it is like to live near these places. I do, and it's not nice.
We have lots of trouble with young girls being approached on their way to and from school and harassed. Young children are photographed in the local park, and when the males are spoken to by parents, they claim they don't speak English and run away back to the hotel. Police are always called , nothing is ever done.
They rioted amongst themselves not long back and set their own hotel on fire. They were just moved to another one.
To go into the town centre you are harassed, followed and have comments made about yourself. It's always women/young girls they intimidate.
Most recently is the intimidating of older people at the local supermarkets cash machine on a daily basis. Again police have been informed.

Now the rioting is wrong, obviously, but when the government does nothing to address the issue, then it's going to boil over. As many are economic migrants they have no reason to seek refuge here. Lots of people would like to move countries in what they deem would be a better life for themselves, doesn't mean we can all just rock up on boats to wherever we feel like and be housed by that government. What is it, a cost of 10 million pounds per day currently?

The voice of sense finally.

Leniriefenstahl · 05/08/2024 07:57

RampantIvy · 05/08/2024 07:47

The events in Rotherham this weekend have been horrifying (I live in South Yorkshire).

I'm shocked and disappointed that in my Labour constituency that the reform party garnered over 9,000 votes, coming a close second to the Tories. Between them there are more Tories and reform voters than Labour voters.

(I deliberately used a lower case "r" because they don't deserve any kind of acknowledgement from me as a poliical party).

Which is ironic considering the economic decline that Tory policies caused in that area. As if they’re voting for more of the same.
I guess they see the Conservatives and Reform as culturally conservative, non of that ‘woke’ agenda, plus all the anti immigration rhetoric. It’s as if economic policies (which have done the most damage) play no part in it. Such a strong ‘cutting off your nose to spite your face’ feel to it, much like Brexit was.

suburburban · 05/08/2024 07:57

BeethovenNinth · 05/08/2024 06:48

Yes there is no excuse for the violence and riots.

but the debate is being shut down. Even the police commissioner that said we need to address the root cause has been forced to back down.

it is not “far right” nor racist to need a robust discussion on unfettered immigration from countries with a different culture to ours.

Yes exactly

Leniriefenstahl · 05/08/2024 07:58

lollipoprainbow · 05/08/2024 07:57

The voice of sense finally.

The huge influx of migrants, mostly legal ones, happened under the Tories. Why not riot then ?

LiterallyOnFire · 05/08/2024 07:59

multicolouredbunting · 05/08/2024 07:55

Everyone who is happy to have hotels full of male migrants needs to take the time to understand what it is like to live near these places. I do, and it's not nice.
We have lots of trouble with young girls being approached on their way to and from school and harassed. Young children are photographed in the local park, and when the males are spoken to by parents, they claim they don't speak English and run away back to the hotel. Police are always called , nothing is ever done.
They rioted amongst themselves not long back and set their own hotel on fire. They were just moved to another one.
To go into the town centre you are harassed, followed and have comments made about yourself. It's always women/young girls they intimidate.
Most recently is the intimidating of older people at the local supermarkets cash machine on a daily basis. Again police have been informed.

Now the rioting is wrong, obviously, but when the government does nothing to address the issue, then it's going to boil over. As many are economic migrants they have no reason to seek refuge here. Lots of people would like to move countries in what they deem would be a better life for themselves, doesn't mean we can all just rock up on boats to wherever we feel like and be housed by that government. What is it, a cost of 10 million pounds per day currently?

Right so let's say we all believe every word of that, what's your answer? Not rioting presumably?

DelilahBucket · 05/08/2024 07:59

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I can assure you the ones in the hotel next door to me are certainly not lounging around all day. They go to work. Yes, you read that right. I've complained until I'm blue in the face. Every single new group that comes, miraculously finds a way to get themselves a job and go off to work at 6:30am every day. Some of them work in a factory down the road, while the majority catch the bus, and I've seen a small handful being picked up in trades vans. One walked into my work place and asked me if I could give him a job. I asked if he had the right to work in the UK but of course he didn't, but I could pay him less in cash 🙄.
This unrest has been brewing for years and I don't think the government will get a grip on the matter because they refuse to listen to why people are unhappy. Bit like how they won't define a woman. One of my local labour candidates called the spoiled ballots "anti-trans messages". They were actually pro-women.

Animatic · 05/08/2024 08:00

It wasn't just him though, latest Conservative government's did everything in their powers to "normalise" hate speech.
Garage is grotesque in being so obviously black and white and extreme but he is a symptom really, not a cause.

Leniriefenstahl · 05/08/2024 08:00

suburburban · 05/08/2024 07:57

Yes exactly

You voted to leave the EU. That shut down immigration from Europe which is mainly white Christian. You opened the gate to immigration from the rest of the world which isn’t. Kinda stupid eh ?

ruby1957 · 05/08/2024 08:00

orchiddottyback · 05/08/2024 00:49

Actually Farage is talking a lot of sense and condemned the violence, from speaking to literally hundreds of people today whilst filming the only person stoking up any tesions is Kier and his bloody arrogant press conferences. It's been like a red rag to a bull.

The most pathetic prime minister this country has ever seen, he truly is ignorant and blind to what is actually going on and why people are so angry. Sitting in his little ivory tower in his london bubble he really is clueless.

Blame farage all you like but your looking in the wrong place. but then again it's like the blind leading the blind.

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This - I have to concur but that is against the MN hive mindset and such heresy will soon be shouted down.

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